real amiga vs winuae

[amigaksi]

A good decision. Discussing with the "owners of the truth" is pure waste of time...

That should be followers of the truth (without having some selfish ambition to fulfill).

[shoggoth]

That's a "good" argument.
PROVE IT.  Anyone can blurt out whatever comes on the top of his head like you have done in this topic.  Go read the dictionary and answer each reply by looking each word up in the dictionary and you'll see what I mean by CONTEXT.

I've done that like - what - 10 times or so, by refering you to emulator source codes or by providing links supporting the semantics in question. Each time you either refuse to read it, stating that you already know better, or discard the source for some other reason (including wikipedia, wiktionary, probably also encarta, websters).

About context - You're the one that constantly talks about "emulate" as in "equal or excel", and apply that to computer emulation. The context for that exact wording comes from sociology and psychology, something you would discover if you just *read* the sources I've provided - but you somehow completely lack the capability to process the information you've been given.

You have problems with English language that's why you write bullcrap like above.

Define irony. The sentence you just wrote is a good example of *bad* english.

I've been a well established tech writer since ten years. I'm more than familiar with the topics we've discussed, and I think I know my english. What's your excuse?

Dude, let's agree on one thing. We can't agree.

[shoggoth]

Damn, I couldn't stop myself. Sorry people, please accept my humble apologies. I don't appreciate discussions such as this one either, but then again I'm too easy to provoke I guess.

Amigaski, like I said - we won't agree no matter how long this discussion is. Let's just drop it, ok? If you really need to reply to my previous post, do so by posting a PM instead.

[bloodline]

Damn, I couldn't stop myself. Sorry people, please accept my humble apologies. I don't appreciate discussions such as this one either, but then again I'm too easy to provoke I guess.

Amigaski, like I said - we won't agree no matter how long this discussion is. Let's just drop it, ok? If you really need to reply to my previous post, do so by posting a PM instead.

I find this thread fascinating... Simply because I can't understand where amigaski is coming from... Trolling? Delusional? Confused? or just plain stupid?

[smerf]

Hi,

@bloodline

I think he sat on too large of a joystick, and it is irratating his anal canal.

Sitting on a joystick so much fun, move the sprite by wiggeling your bun.

smerf

[smerf]

You're right. This doesn't belong in a public forum. I highly doubt a PM will help, so I better just leave it as it is instead.

A wise man once said: "Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics - even if you win, you're still a retard". Very true.

Hi,

I really take insult to a post like this, and I hope that you remove it, I support the special olympics every year, and think that the people participating in it are very special, intelligent people that try very hard coping with a real world. Some of these kids also use Amiga's and PC's on the internet. This can hurt feeling bad.

Some  people on these site's like me, can be the real idiots.

smerf

[smerf]

Hi all.

I want to assemble a working amiga that is actually usable, and is not too
difficult to use (I want my kids to be able to load games too), but  I've
never actually owned or used an amiga in the past until now (but ZX Spectrum, c64s and 128), so I'll have to learn how to use it well (I don't think is too difficult).

- I own an Amiga 1000 and an Amiga 3000, they both work fine (I
personally tested them, I can boot workbench and some games), have a 1084 monitor, joysticks and mouse, these are complete computer (with a couple of external floppy drives), and I have tons of floppies and many brand new blank floppies.

The problem is that they don't have a hard drive, and I have no idea
of how much memory they have installed (I can check) and  I noticed
how long do programs and games take to load.. How do I install a hard
drive o sd memory or cd reader in these things?

My other option is to just use an old PC computer (an amd atlhon 2200)
runing Winuae, and live with it (without having to actually put the
real Amigas to work) and a couple of joysticks. And why not, it can
run MAME too.

I'd like to listen about what do you think I should do, use the 1000,
3000 or the pc with winuae.

Thanks in advance.


Daniel
Drumheller, ab, Canada

Hi,

@dannybebe

I can only give you the experience that I have using an Amiga 4000 and Amiga Forever on a new Quad Core 6600 computer, of course the Amiga 4000 runs a lot of the Amiga stuff quite well, I also have an Amiga 3000 but do not use it as much as my A4000, but you should be able to find a 50 pin scsi that you can hook up to the inside at a very low price on ebay, you will need a 50 pin ribbon cable which you can also find on ebay at a very low price. The hard drive does not have to be a large hard drive I use a 5oo mbyte drive on my A3000, the next thing you will have to do is check the terminators inside the A3000 and make sure they are in place, if not like mine where removed, I use a 100 mbyte zip drive on the external scsi connector set at scsi drive 6 and termination set on. The A1000 you might as well forget trying to put in a hard drive, the cards and software are hard to find, by the way in anyone is looking for the Supra drive software that goes with the first supra drive scsci card for the A1000, I have the software but I no longer have the card or the A1000 since my wife chucked out my A1000 while I was out of town, yes I am still married to her, she had good intent in her heart, she bought me a new Dell desktop and didn't think I would mind her throwing out my old computer, (sob). Now for the Amiga Forever software for a PC computer. On my Quad Core PC it runs excellent, every now and then it hiccups on the music when I am playing a game, other wise on this fast PC it emulates the Amiga very well, and with AmiKit installed really looks great. On a slower PC you will probably have problems with the sound and sometimes with the video while playing a game, the Dell was really bad at this since it was a Pentium at 2.7 ghertz. My AMD 3700 chip seemed to do way better than the Dell but still had some problems while playing some games. Emulation still is not perfect even on the fastest computers, but am I going to tell you to go with emulation, hey for the price you can't go wrong, and then you might even upgrade your PC someday and install it on a faster PC. It might even work well on your PC right now, the problem with emulation is getting your software over to it and then learning new methods of using it, I know because I still am.

smerf

[smerf]

try convincing Karlos that the amiga boots significantly faster than a PC and that this a useful thing.  But according to Karlos you, like me, are insane or suffer from attention deficit disorder.

Hi.

@stefcep.

I tried telling Karlos that the Amiga boots faster but he is dead set that his PC wakes up from its sleep faster than an Amiga booting, I replied that the Amiga does not have a sleep mode so the Amiga beats it there because it is alway on and does not sleep. Then again when you hear about his pitiful PC running Linux I sometimes wonder about him, I tried to convince him that the Amiga also loads its OS faster than a PC loading winblows or vista, but he also denied that post to, one person even argued with him with little to no result that the Amiga's joystick port is faster, once again he denied this saying that the PC joysticks are faster even though the PC today does not have a joystick port. Poor Karlos is having delusional thoughts after using a PC for so long. We really ought to humor him. Throw him a bone every now and then to keep him happy.

smerf

[smerf]

WinXP could be made to boot fairly quickly with a little trimming... about 35 seconds on my circa '03 Athlon, no different than most Amigas that load a few extra things on startup. My A1200 boots to 3.9 in about 5 seconds... actually a pretty useful feature considering how often it crashes

Hi,

I trimmed Windows XP right off my computer for Ubuntu 9.10 64 bit. It boots slower than my Amiga 4000 but has better eye candy to watch during its boot up.

smerf

[stefcep2]

Hi.

@stefcep.

I tried telling Karlos that the Amiga boots faster but he is dead set that his PC wakes up from its sleep faster than an Amiga booting, I replied that the Amiga does not have a sleep mode so the Amiga beats it there because it is alway on and does not sleep. Then again when you hear about his pitiful PC running Linux I sometimes wonder about him, I tried to convince him that the Amiga also loads its OS faster than a PC loading winblows or vista, but he also denied that post to, one person even argued with him with little to no result that the Amiga's joystick port is faster, once again he denied this saying that the PC joysticks are faster even though the PC today does not have a joystick port. Poor Karlos is having delusional thoughts after using a PC for so long. We really ought to humor him. Throw him a bone every now and then to keep him happy.

smerf

This thread has gone down a path that I generally don't see at Amiga.org. The disappointing thing for me has been the "pack-mentality" of the pro-PC camp to resort to personal insults, and to belittle the arguments of the pro-Amiga camp on the basis that those arguments are trivial because these uniquely Amiga advantages don't matter to them in their own computing use.  Anywhere else thats called "missing the point".  However tempting it might be though, we ALL shouldn't go down THAT path.

Karlos is interesting: he spent a large amount of energy arguing the superiority of his Linux-based machine, over Amiga AND Windows PC's BUT then in "The day or year the Linux desktop died" thread he posts:

"He's right, to be honest. And that's coming from someone that does use Linux, both for work and at home.

I don't know anybody using Linux as a desktop OS that isn't measurably more computer savvy than the majority of users. That's not to say it's an elitist thing but most people just want their desktop computer to work without any fannying about and more often than not they want it for a spot of entertainment too."

Yes most people DO just want their desktop computer to work without fannying about.  A bit like Amiga's.  Usability is a pretty compelling argument for Amiga's superiority over a PC running Linux, but I suppose that's irrelevant too because Karlos is an advanced Linux user and he doesn't mind fanning about.  Good for him.

[bbond007]

Hi all.

I want to assemble a working amiga that is actually usable, and is not too
difficult to use (I want my kids to be able to load games too), but  I've
never actually owned or used an amiga in the past until now (but ZX Spectrum, c64s and 128), so I'll have to learn how to use it well (I don't think is too difficult).

- I own an Amiga 1000 and an Amiga 3000, they both work fine (I
personally tested them, I can boot workbench and some games), have a 1084 monitor, joysticks and mouse, these are complete computer (with a couple of external floppy drives), and I have tons of floppies and many brand new blank floppies.

The problem is that they don't have a hard drive, and I have no idea
of how much memory they have installed (I can check) and  I noticed
how long do programs and games take to load.. How do I install a hard
drive o sd memory or cd reader in these things?

My other option is to just use an old PC computer (an amd atlhon 2200)
runing Winuae, and live with it (without having to actually put the
real Amigas to work) and a couple of joysticks. And why not, it can
run MAME too.

I'd like to listen about what do you think I should do, use the 1000,
3000 or the pc with winuae.

Thanks in advance.


Daniel
Drumheller, ab, Canada

Here are my feelings:

This year I bought both Clonto Amiga-Forever, and a New Old Stock CD32.

I was not happy with the CD32 because much of the software worked optimally in PAL. I did the hardware mod to add a NTSC/PAL(more like 50/60) switch without needing to use my Amiga mouse for early boot menu. Still, PAL modes were not right on my LCD panels.

Apparently The NTSC CD32 still continues to send the color signal in “PAL” mode.

 I ended up buying the Indivision AGA 4000 for it. I made a booting CD32 disc with the Indivision utils & flash.

The problem is the CD32 begins to act flaky after an hour or so of usage… Then eventually just GURUS over and over.

On the other hand I have a Mac Mini with 2x2ghz CPUs and 4GB of ram. It’s the new Mini with 9400m video and I have XP installed on it as a boot option.

With WinUAE/AmigaForever CD32 emulation is amazingly smooth. The sound is not as good, but does not skip or anything like it did for me under Vista. Even under a heavy load, running XP, the Mini never gets unstable.

Plus, I don’t have to burn a bunch of CD’s….

Also, Xbox 360 Wireless controller is so much better than the CD32 game pad.

Additionally, Amikit is like having a high-end 060 Amiga…

I don’t know whom to call concerning my CD32. I suppose I can call Amiga Inc. That should be interesting.

On the other hand, if my Mini breaks, I’ll just call Apple.

The next project I’m planning on doing with the Mini is simply hooking up my M-audio firewire sound device and because it has MIDI, I may as well hook up the Roland MT32 as well.

I suppose if my CD32 was more reliable I’d try to get the Holy-Grail, the SX32…

[hooligan]

The disappointing thing for me has been the "pack-mentality" of the pro-PC camp to resort to personal insults, and to belittle the arguments of the pro-Amiga camp on the basis that those arguments are trivial because these uniquely Amiga advantages don't matter to them in their own computing use.

Its vice versa also. And I somehow do understand some of the "pro-pc"-people here, its a bit hard not to belittle the arguments of the "pro-amiga"-people as these "unique amiga advantages" are ancient history and has no use whatsoever in todays computing. And has not been for a decade.

The biggest "unique" feature is old playable games and thats it, and even that is made possible through emulation.

[stefcep2]

its a bit hard not to belittle the arguments of the "pro-amiga"-people as these "unique amiga advantages" are ancient history and has no use whatsoever in todays computing.

I think some of those advantages if they were properly implemented on the PC would be welcomed by most users.  But its just a theoretical argument, because most PC's-like 99%- will never have a boot time under 10 seconds, will always have a registry, will always be wasteful and inefficient with their use of hardware resources, will always have GUI performance issues, will always make you wait for things that they shouldn't make you wait for, will always have a wait pointer, will always have major malware problems, but you'll be able to do more things, many of which you won't want, need or just plain find frustrating to work with.  But hey that might not matter

[amigaksi]

I've done that like - what - 10 times or so, by refering you to emulator source codes or by providing links supporting the semantics in question. Each time you either refuse to read it, stating that you already know better, or discard the source for some other reason (including wikipedia, wiktionary, probably also encarta, websters).

About context - You're the one that constantly talks about "emulate" as in "equal or excel", and apply that to computer emulation. The context for that exact wording comes from sociology and psychology, something you would discover if you just *read* the sources I've provided - but you somehow completely lack the capability to process the information you've been given.

...

I already answered this to you last year.  You are making the same argument without refuting the answer.  In the dictionary source I quoted to you, it is defined as "emulate= equal or excel" and it states nothing about only applying to sociology.  

>I've been a well established tech writer since ten years. I'm more than familiar with the topics we've discussed, and I think I know my english. What's your excuse?

You should argue English then and not emulation because each person has his own understanding of what emulation is giving them.  And some of the claims here are clearly false.  So rather than dealing with that, you bring on last year's argument once again as if you had some revenge in mind.

[Arkhan]

My 2 cents here....

I just dove back into Amiga after a hiatus.....

I started w/ an a500 years ago when i was 10ish, and it was given away.... a few years ago I rebought some stuff (A500 and then A1200) and well, its a hassle if you aren't able to drop a good amount of cash to get it all setup and running well....

Tone007 pointed me to AmiKit which works with WinUAE and gives you a nice OS3.9 setup (requires disc).  Until I can afford to get a formidable and functioning Amiga setup, it is awesome.   It runs on my laptop and I just pretend its an Amiga Laptop.... you get the full experience more or less.


Check it out!

[amigaksi]

Its vice versa also. And I somehow do understand some of the "pro-pc"-people here, its a bit hard not to belittle the arguments of the "pro-amiga"-people as these "unique amiga advantages" are ancient history and has no use whatsoever in todays computing. And has not been for a decade.

The biggest "unique" feature is old playable games and thats it, and even that is made possible through emulation.

PROVE IT.
Anyone can state what comes up in his head.  It takes a brain to prove stuff.