real amiga vs winuae

[smerf]

Hi,

I had my Amiga attached to a Panasonic monitor and te pixels were rounded.

smerf

[smerf]

Hi,

@DonnyEMU

Impossible, unless you are running them in Virtual Drive ware, and they must be running slowly since there is that much activity going on.

Now can you add more drives and format them at the same time with the same programs running, and can you add a flopy disk to each?

Can you load a CD program in each at the same time?

and

Can it whistle dixie while doing all the above?

smerf

[bloodline]

Well, unlike Shaun, at least he knows something about the actual hardware

I'm not sure amigaski does know anything about actual hardware... he might have read something in a book, but he has demonstrated a total lack of ever having every actually had to program any...

[Karlos]

When I say "actual" hardware, I mean hardware that actually exists. Shauns bang was Zorro VII, if you recall

[bloodline]

When I say "actual" hardware, I mean hardware that actually exists. Shauns bang was Zorro VII, if you recall

Oh yeah... the bus arch troll... what a freak, PIC-E must make him piss the bed at night

[Karlos]

Oh yeah... the bus arch troll... what a freak, PCI-E must make him piss the bed at night

Well, PCIe is only version 2. He must be up to, what, Zorro 15 by now?

[bloodline]

Well, PCIe is only version 2. He must be up to, what, Zorro 15 by now?

Last I heard of of him was over 10 years ago... I think... it's probably not unreasonable to assume he is in triple figures now... I dread to think how it actually works... maybe 2 baked bean tins and a bit of string...

[amigaksi]

As I have said umpteen times, this is a subjective debate. You didn't explain how the Copper outdoes a box of cornflakes. The copper is very poor in comparison to a box of cornflakes at 6am in the morning when I'm hungry and disoriented.
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Sorry, I'm speaking in context to emulation on PC.

>"Better" is most assuredly subjective. What constitutes "better" is context dependent. A kettle is far better than 7.16MHz timing can ever be, when you want to make a cup of tea.

If it's context dependent, then it can be objective as well if context is clear.  If context is timing, then 7.16Mhz based timing is better (superior) to 3.57Mhz timing.

>In your opinion. As far as the software running on the emulation is concerned, it is a real Amiga.

Based on deductive logic.  If PC can't handle the timing task, emulation on PC can't handle it.  QED.

[amigaksi]

I'm not sure amigaski does know anything about actual hardware... he might have read something in a book, but he has demonstrated a total lack of ever having every actually had to program any...

That's what your problem is.  You go around randomly searching the web and quoting things without actually having tried things out.  Just speaking from my experience with you in the past.  I am speaking on the basis of actual tests.  Go try answering the question rather than playing "call the dog a bad name and hang him."

[shoggoth]

Sorry, I'm speaking in context to emulation on PC.

>"Better" is most assuredly subjective. What constitutes "better" is context dependent. A kettle is far better than 7.16MHz timing can ever be, when you want to make a cup of tea.

If it's context dependent, then it can be objective as well if context is clear.  If context is timing, then 7.16Mhz based timing is better (superior) to 3.57Mhz timing.

>In your opinion. As far as the software running on the emulation is concerned, it is a real Amiga.

Based on deductive logic.  If PC can't handle the timing task, emulation on PC can't handle it.  QED.

We've been over this before, Amigaski. It can. Again, if you actually took the time and studied emulator fundamentals you would finally realize that. But then again you still stick to the wrong definition of the term emulator, so it's fairly pointless to discuss these things with you. It's getting silly.

[amigaksi]

We've been over this before, Amigaski. It can. Again, if you actually took the time and studied emulator fundamentals you would finally realize that. But then again you still stick to the wrong definition of the term emulator, so it's fairly pointless to discuss these things with you. It's getting silly.

I can skip over emulator fundamentals if I know PC can't handle it.  I grasped your definition of emulator, but it's different from what people are actually understanding it to be.  Just look at post #23-- claiming it's as good as real amiga.  Should I take it as a sales pitch?

I also grasped your definition of "cycle exact" meaning unrelated to time of cycle, but many people still think it involves exact timing.

[the_leander]

I can skip over emulator fundamentals if I know PC can't handle it.  I grasped your definition of emulator, but it's different from what people are actually understanding it to be.  Just look at post #23-- claiming it's as good as real amiga.  Should I take it as a sales pitch?

I also grasped your definition of "cycle exact" meaning unrelated to time of cycle, but many people still think it involves exact timing.

Given that different models of the same model of the amiga could also introduce timing differences, (for instance 2B revision A1200 motherboards were known to be somewhat less stable then the 1D4 versions, not to mention having some interesting issues with regard some accelerator cards), decrying UAEs cycle exact (whilst not "exact") system is somewhat laughable.

Also, #23 isn't saying it's as good as, only that it is more convenient (it is), faster (it is) and cheaper (it is).

I sense the comming need to download some ED stock images in the near future.

[amigaksi]

Given that different models of the same model of the amiga could also introduce timing differences, (for instance 2B revision A1200 motherboards were known to be somewhat less stable then the 1D4 versions, not to mention having some interesting issues with regard some accelerator cards), decrying UAEs cycle exact (whilst not "exact") system is somewhat laughable.

Also, #23 isn't saying it's as good as, only that it is more convenient (it is), faster (it is) and cheaper (it is).

I sense the comming need to download some ED stock images in the near future.

If you go by specs, OCS hardware registers are bit by bit compatible with ECS/AGA.  Incompatibilities are due to other issues, but the Copper timing, CIA interrupts, Audio interrupts, etc. still have the same EXACT timing.

[the_leander]

If you go by specs, OCS hardware registers are bit by bit compatible with ECS/AGA.  Incompatibilities are due to other issues, but the Copper timing, CIA interrupts, Audio interrupts, etc. still have the same EXACT timing.

I'm not sure amigaski does know anything about actual hardware... he might have read something in a book, but he has demonstrated a total lack of ever having every actually had to program any...

nuff said.

[shoggoth]

I can skip over emulator fundamentals if I know PC can't handle it.  I grasped your definition of emulator, but it's different from what people are actually understanding it to be.  Just look at post #23-- claiming it's as good as real amiga.  Should I take it as a sales pitch?

No, you were using the term "emulate" as used in the context of psychology:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emulation_(observational_learning)

In the context of computer emulation, the following definition is used:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emulator

Another confirmation of this can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emulation_(disambiguation)

Also check this link:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/emulate

You are using the wrong definition, and use that to support some of your claims. And even when people point this out to you, you stick to it. That's just amazing.

I also grasped your definition of "cycle exact" meaning unrelated to time of cycle, but many people still think it involves exact timing.

It's not my definition. Cycle exact means the system is emulated at the cycle level. It does not dictate how long a cycle is - in such case it would be refered to as "timing". You cling to your own definition, since that would support your claims. Again that's just amazing.

[Hammer]

Hi,

I had my Amiga attached to a Panasonic monitor and te pixels were rounded.

smerf

The dot pitch is not small enough. 320x200 NTSC on a good 15 inch SVGA monitor shows blocky pixels and they not rounded.