Genesi Won Lawsuit against Amiga Inc.

[AmiGR]

!? Calm down man!
He posted a joke that you wouldn't understand unless you have indepth knowledge of the flamewars
at ann.lu.:-) Most of them have something in common... Samface. Until recently, they also had
me trying to find some logic in his comment;-)

By the way, I do not think that "I'll have no problems locking your account" is a nice way
to reply, neither something that you should do so lightly. This is constructive criticism and I
would gladly keep it private if you want.

[AmiGR]

Lets' see. . . no Amiga bootcode. . . no OS4. . . . and no underlying operating system on which to run AmigaDE. Yup, that's sure going to be "an Amiga" isn't it???
--

No underlying OS to run AmigaDE? Indeed, ATM it does not run on any Amiga-like operating system.
Genesi wanted a port to the Pegasos in terms with
their CONTRACT with Amiga Inc. You know, a piece
of paper McEwen signed, probably without reading
it first...

Usage of trademarks == When they port the AmigaDE
(which won't ever happen imho... no reason to lose
time and money on it) they will be able to call
the Pegasos an Amiga. As simple as that.

[T_Bone]

"Arg! This certainly doesn't make me too fond of Genesi's methods. What are they trying to accomplish? Surely a buyout would be a better option given their motives.
"

A valid license isn't a good method? What do you mean? Granted they shouldn't have had to go to court to get it honored, but still.

[Paul]

I just can't see any reasoning for except that they have the Amiga name. And that, to me, really, really makes the Amiga community futureless.

Well blow me down (using Popeye imitation)

My first post was right... With the Genesi/Morph/Peg gang "the name" _IS_ really useless. So glad to hear it! In that case, Genesi can just forget about this little "victory" in the courtroom and go about their business of making multi platform hardware and software which runs an Amiga emulator, and not bother putting the Amiga name on anything they sell.

Paul

[TheMagicM]

AmiGR: I do not go to ann.lu so I found no humor in it.   What I'm doing is TRYING to keep a thread clean, where Amiga owners will feel like they lost out.  I know that from history when one side or the other is down, they kick them while they're down.  If its meant as a joke, put a smiley in there otherwise it will be interpreted differently.

[T_Bone]

"T_bone: I dont know what that means. But if you're implying starting trouble or getting on my nerves, I'll have no problems locking your account. "

:-o

For finding Samface on ann.lu?

Oh while I'm at it, it appears I've lost a bet on Moobunny. I can't remember what I bet, but I remember betting Genesi would lose. If whomever I bet remembers the thread so that I may make good on my payment you may PM me at this site :-)

[AmiGR]

This should not be in this thread at all Paul
but MorphOS is *NOT* an Amiga emulator...
It's a reimplementation of the AmigaOS APIs
just like AROS from which it got many parts.
It reimplements the AmigaOS 3.1 API, adding
wrappers for stuff like WarpOS and Warp3D.
Its user interface uses MUI heavily.
Face it, there is nothing alien about that OS
except the fact that it's not based on the
original sources and that it doesn't have the
name.

[TheMagicM]

Tbone: I dont know enough about these "inside jokes", I may have over-reacted.. Sorry bout that.

[T_Bone]

I know this is rather soon, but I'm sure you guys[genesi] have thought about it in anticipation of this day, are new pegasos users to recieve a DE player for Morphos sometime in the future?

[T_Bone]

@TheMagicM

noprob

[cdog]

Just who is doing the hijacking here? Those who have the trademark currently, purchased it and said intellectual property from Gateway (with the backing of VC, of course). If AInc is guilty of anything, it's writing bad contracts with sharks like Bill Buck and not being well funded or sucessful enough to vigorously defend their IP and trademarks (and I will grant you - a certain amount of ineptness and dodgy fund raising).

[mdwh2]

@Gopal

"Phase5 didn´t take AmigaOS anywhere. They made hardware and managed to get some developer support."

And all the while OS4 is still to be released, Amiga Inc haven't taken AmigaOS anywhere either PPCwise.

"AmigaOS is not delayed"

Yet in 2001 they said "The first release of AmigaOS4 is targeted for Summer (in the Northern Hemisphere), with further releases every six months." ( http://www.amiga.com/corporate/041201-techupdate-B.shtml ). Though I suppose as with a lot of their release dates, they always fail to tell us which year..

[Waccoon]

Just who is doing the hijacking here? Those who have the trademark currently, purchased it and said intellectual property from Gateway (with the backing of VC, of course). If AInc is guilty of anything, it's writing bad contracts with sharks like Bill Buck and not being well funded or sucessful enough to vigorously defend their IP and trademarks (and I will grant you - a certain amount of ineptness and dodgy fund raising).

I don't follow the Amiga with great interest, as it's more of a morbid curiosity for me.  Still, since Amiga Inc hasn't released anything worthwhile in four years, hasn't updated their website in forever, and everyone in the community is wonder just who the hell owns Amiga and/or its trademarks, then there must be something terribly wrong with the company.

Stop making such harsh judgements on ANY party involved, here.  Very few of us understand what goes on in those companies or the courts.  Maybe Amiga is in default of relicensing their trademarks.  Maybe Genesi is full of jerks.  Maybe both or neither.

When Amiga releases something, which would actually put them on an equal playing field with Genesi, I'll pass judgement.  For now, all I know if that Amiga did absolutely nothing since 2000 (and they certainly had plenty of time), and have a history of not talking to the community.  They might not be able to control all the things that go wrong, but they're certainly not that smart.

Wait and see.

[Waccoon]

Yet in 2001 they said "The first release of AmigaOS4 is targeted for Summer (in the Northern Hemisphere), with further releases every six months." ( http://www.amiga.com/corporate/041201-techupdate-B.shtml ). Though I suppose as with a lot of their release dates, they always fail to tell us which year..

Heh.  It's funny to read that URL again.  The release schedule looked so reasonable at the time.  

Personally, I think OS4 was a bad design move.  Yeah, making a new core is a good idea, but there should have been at least one more transitional release.  Charging $50 for even an rediculously minor update would have at least generated some income (and I won't say anything about the T-Shirts).

Hey, Apple does it all the time.  

[KennyR]

Paul wrote:
My first post was right... With the Genesi/Morph/Peg gang "the name" _IS_ really useless. So glad to hear it! In that case, Genesi can just forget about this little "victory" in the courtroom and go about their business of making multi platform hardware and software which runs an Amiga emulator, and not bother putting the Amiga name on anything they sell.

Yeah yeah, I've heard this bull since day one, and hearing it repeated ad nauseam doesn't make it any truer or more logical.

For a start, classic Amiga compatibility on OS4 will also be done through emulation. So your argument that MOS is just an emulator and not and Amiga for that reason falls flat on its face.

Secondly, Amiga Inc are just company with a name to slap around too. They have no relation to Commodore or the original Amiga. How you could say this for AmigaONE (which I assume you mean by a "real Amiga", correct me if I'm wrong) but not for a legal Pegasos Amiga clone I will never know. Logic error overload.

If what is today MorphOS had been the real AmigaOS, none of you would really know any different. It would be woo, yay, great, PCs are crap, Amigas rule again. But now that MorphOS has been identified as the enemy, bias and prejudice are the only strength Amiga Inc and its licenced A1/OS4 seem to have any more. And the more they use it to fend off their growing problems, the less logical it seems to become.

[IonDeluxe]

If you have a serious complaint about the moderation on AO, talk to an AO staff member privately over p/e-mail. Otherwise don't be a pain or go elsewhere please.

WHats the point?
I have taken such things up with the vaunted webmaster and had NOTHING done about my complaints.

This is not news it is rumour only as it can't be publicly demonstrated as fact.