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Offline Giovanni

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #89 on: August 21, 2003, 01:19:43 PM »
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Kees is the only moderator left on amiga.org which makes this site still enjoyable.


I think Kees does a good job here.

@Kees:

You are right, only claiming that Amiga.org is biased, won't change anything. I really believe that you are trying your best to keep this site in the middle.
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #90 on: August 21, 2003, 01:23:53 PM »
@LordOfCommunity

I find your posting very insulting. For the record I have not edited a single post in this thread and if you think I am biased because I bought an available product or a product which is not available, that is your problem.
Someone has to state the obvious and that someone is me!
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #91 on: August 21, 2003, 01:26:24 PM »
@Giovanni

I agree :-)

@LordOfCommunity

Well Wayne is allowed an opinion you know :-P  IMO stepping down as webmaster was the best thing he could have done - his opinions are as important as the next person's.

@Everyone

Read Kees' first post.  Think...

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #92 on: August 21, 2003, 01:33:34 PM »
Actually I shouldn't reply to your agressive post but I guess I just did.

I don't care if you bought a Pegasos, I don't care if you bought an AmigaONE, that's for every person to decide. The problem with you is that you are against the other side and that's fine with me. But as a moderator you should be aware of your own comments. But this anwer shows me that you are totally not aware of what your comments are like. You're comments can start a flamewar. And that's a bad thing for a moderator.  So i'll end this discussion with you because it will lead nowhere but right into the next flamewar.

Kees keep up the good work.
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #93 on: August 21, 2003, 01:36:03 PM »
Did he really step down? I think not....
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #94 on: August 21, 2003, 01:39:23 PM »
Hi Dave, thanks for the review which is accurate enough.  For the purposes of this discussion, we will just focus on the "amiga" issues.  We will only post this one comment about it.  We will do it here and not on ANN this time...

We have a license agreement between Thendic and Amiga Inc. for the use of AmigaDE.  In the case where the majority shareholders are the same (us = bbrv) the license is transferable, hence the ability of Genesi to claim opportunity.  In any case, Amiga Inc. denied our ability to do this and we finally (FINALLY) took them to court.  Subsequently, they filed a counterclaim and then proceeded to find excuses to delay the legal procedure which includes "discovery."  This phase involves asking Bill McEwen questions under oath that pertain to the matter.  His excuses for non-performance here have been spectacular -- medical/heart problems that can only be handled in Montana (twice), the child labor of a friend, concerns for the safety of his family, etc.  Last week Amiga's legal counsel agreed to drop the counter claims and validate the license for the Pegasos and AmigaDE.  Bill was in Montana again...

Sounds like a win-win situation.  We thought.

We simply announced the following:

1. DE would ported to the Pegasos and we were beginning to get things organized to do it.

2. We had purchased and therefore LICENSED Amiga 3.9 for over 500 potential Pegasos buyers.  3.9 works now through emulation.  If a Pegasos owner has 3.5 or 3,9 they can legally use it on the Pegasos.  

3. We said absolutely NOTHING about 4.0 except that when it is ready we would be please to support it.

We added this to our website.

In closing as we will be busy for the next two/three days, please consider the following:

1. We said there were problems with the Articia. There were.
2. We said that Garry Hare was brought in to be the Chairman and CEO. He was.
3. We said we had a valid license for DE. We do.

When the Pegasos II comes out, we will start to finally be able to produce units in quantity.  This enormous waste of time and energy sparring back and forth will be once again be focused on progressively improving the platform and advancing whatever OS you are interested in.  This factor alone will improve the general condition for all involved.

We will not be changing our website.  

Best regards,
Raquel and Bill  :-)

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #95 on: August 21, 2003, 01:43:47 PM »
This won't really help stopping the flamewar on this thread ...  :-D
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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #96 on: August 21, 2003, 01:45:48 PM »
I pose this statement and questions to each and every one of us.
AMIGA was about ideas, innovation, thinking outside the square, participation, listening, experimenting
(including  success and failure).  

What we have now is 2 groups of people and investors rising from the ashes of the original AMIGA , both investing money, personal  commitment, IP and desire a to further those initial ingredients of our beloved platform.  Both parties have great call on the community, both deserve  in some measure (even that measure will be debated the way things stand) success.

Here is one question.  
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT?

We can all sit back and take sides and fall into (no offence intended to people) a MIDDLE EAST situation.
NEVER ENDING WAR.

My next question.  Is that really what we all want?
 I bet overwhelmingly the answer is no.  We have extremely talented coders sidelined whilst the community slides into oblivion.

We are the end users, if we choose to believe one party or the other and act accordingly we are dead in the water and we will drown even after that!

My next question.  
What can we do about it?
If the community can put it's pettiness aside, I believe we can do a lot.  We can make BOTH parties aware that we will boycott  ALL related products unless they come to an arrangement,  We ARE A VERY SMALL COMMUNITY, defiance by the masses should help.

Once again I ask you all to look at the past, understand both players have put up their hands up, both came at different times of the AMIGA history, that has to be understood but both are infected by the same bug "THERE IS SOMETHING HERE ". They have also both put their money where their mouths are ( to what extent we all really do not know) but that is for later.  

LET'S ACT TOGETHER.

This proposal is for those of us with open minds and a deep desire to once again advance "IT thinking"

I propose the following:

1.   Support for this proposal be gauged on this site (read further). I don't want debates, just say supported or not supported.  Perhaps the Webmaster could put a poll up but copy this psot to other areas.
Tell me shut up and I will go away, respond positively and commit to it I will follow through.
2.   If there is a positive feedback, I will post this to other sites and seek the same support.
3.  If we get an OVERALL agreement,  we elect a Community representatives to forward a community response to BOTH parties,.
4.  Strategies are agreed that will impress on both parties the desire for collaboration, interaction and out of court resolving of issues.

This community is small but so talented, there are many who want to return, where do you think we are going now?  We have very talented Webmasters running sites, we have coders, we have ideaspeople, but we don't have cohesiveness with those who count they are the ones who are splitting us.

I am not a coder, a Webmaster a BETA tester.  I am an end user,  I have a couple of very high end PCs, I don't have a current "PPC" solution   BUT I do want one, or two but nott MAC and not LINUX (but it is an alternative), I want something Amiga or-ish).

Amigaseus (I don't even know how to use the smiley things!)

Can I please indulge the Webmaster to gauge my proposal or initiate a poll depending on response.

SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE DOESN'T IT.  WELL I REMEMBER BEING TOLD BY A PC NUT IN ABOUT 1994 THAT DOOM WILL NEVER WORK ON AN AMIGA.


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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #97 on: August 21, 2003, 01:50:17 PM »
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The problem with you is that you are against the other side and that's fine with me.


I am not against anyone and i am not entrenched in any side. I do not work for any Amiga related company.

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But as a moderator you should be aware of your own comments. But this anwer shows me that you are totally not aware of what your comments are like.


You make insulting, flame provoking comments against my character which i probably should have simply moderated. i didn't. I simply responded my displeasure.
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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #98 on: August 21, 2003, 01:50:35 PM »
Hi Bill! (and Raquel)

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We have a license agreement between Thendic and Amiga Inc. for the use of AmigaDE. In the case where the majority shareholders are the same (us = bbrv) the license is transferable


That sounds quiet logical. But is the licence transferable to other devices? (smartboy->peg->peg2)
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #99 on: August 21, 2003, 01:51:23 PM »
@bbrv

I note the following from your post:

1) Amiga Inc's counsel have dropped the countersuit against you.

2) Your case against Amiga Inc has not yet been decided.

3) Your announcements on your website are in accordance to your beliefs and in anticipation of a favourable outcome, and NOT as a result of a court decision or agreement betwen the parties.
Bill Hoggett
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #100 on: August 21, 2003, 01:58:07 PM »
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MorphOS is MorphOS, Genesi = Genesi, I can't recognize any Amiga in that apart from being API COMPATIBLE. Like WINE is API compatible to Windows.


Oh please, not that old one again! It doesn't even make sense, considering that the "real Amiga" is a TeronCX with a dongle! Ever heard the phrase, "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?"

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Wayne and Redrumloa have become puppets of Genesi.


That's right, and so are the Stonemasons and the US and European governments. And the IT sector. And the market controllers. In fact, everyone's against you. The fact that your niche is shrinking has nothing to do with its fanaticism, it's because everyone's out to get you. Because you are the righteous.

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #101 on: August 21, 2003, 02:02:43 PM »
bbrv: and what is this telling us? , u had right answers for 3..but what about the million others?

like , WE aint a competetior to amiga etc..bla bla ..

also why do mos users still need os3.x ? ,
and where is this contract? and aint that like saying , hey i am making windows XL  but u will need XP cd .., sounds DUBIOUS!

also , articia problems was NOT stated in the beginng, it was announced way after XE 800 (a1) was released , it was we (THE USERS) who said it was buggy , also why dont u post on ann.lu ? , this is amIGA.org ,u always used ann.lu till now , why did u stop ? ...

sure i know amiga.org has turned but this looks like what i said 1 year ago...go read old posts where i said that there should have been made a pegasos.org or something.

why do u think amiga survived or stayed warm for all theese years with disasters ? , it was because we loved it and used it , you are dooing exactly what pc and mac tried to do with us so what makes you better?..

anyway that wasnt a flame , but i NEED some real answers here as i am about to blow...

cheers
Whats up with all the hate!
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #102 on: August 21, 2003, 02:20:44 PM »
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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #103 on: August 21, 2003, 02:20:56 PM »
@bbrv

If that is all correct then why do you noty post it on your website then post it as official NEWS?

The way you are doing this is not business-like at all.  You are helping to spread the paranoia and fud about certain companies including yourself.

If you conduct yourself as a proper business with official news and announcements maybe people would believe you more instead of just jumpoing on another flame wagon.

With this thread I have lost respect for at least two people here at A.o (I'm not naming them as I'll be accused of personal attacks), but I have new respect for one person.  Not good odds that is it? :roll:
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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #104 from previous page: August 21, 2003, 02:24:51 PM »
Well, sometimes the truth hurts.
Somehow I think this will be my last post here.

The site is great, but with so much bias which is showing pretty much everywhere, it just doesn't have much to do with what it used to.  

It's kinda scary to think about the Kernel Wars times as "the good ol' days", but they were GREAT compared to today.

Well, in any case I guess this is actually the second round of the aforementioned wars.

I can't blame people for taking sides. I've chosen my side from technical preferences as well as personal. However I don't feel like there's much reason for me to keep coming back here. Even ANN is more neutral than here.

"Thanks", Genesi.