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Offline Giovanni

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #59 on: August 21, 2003, 11:06:53 AM »
:-D
Prove that by deleting his account! :-)

But, seriously, keep up the good work here...
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #60 on: August 21, 2003, 11:22:08 AM »
my post got deleted??

what was wrong with it?

AMIGA INC IS AMIGA , thats all..

if thats flame ware then this forum is biased!
Whats up with all the hate!
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #61 on: August 21, 2003, 11:35:59 AM »
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Back to AmigaWorld for me I guess.


B-Bye, don't let the door hit you in the ass. You only come to make false acusations and smear BS against this site anyhow.
Someone has to state the obvious and that someone is me!
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #62 on: August 21, 2003, 11:43:56 AM »
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Poster: Wolfe Date: 2003/8/21 8:20:32
EULA: To me - If its not on the outside of the box before I buy a product it does not mean squat.  :-P

It´s the same for me :-D
Has an EULA everbeen approved in a court in Europe?
Go onto court  Bill McEwan I´m sure the lawyers appreciates the money :-D
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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #63 on: August 21, 2003, 11:46:47 AM »
I wonder how the account got hacked so easily at this very moment...
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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #64 on: August 21, 2003, 11:48:25 AM »
We think that his password was simply guessed ...
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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #65 on: August 21, 2003, 11:49:21 AM »
SlimJim asked,
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Does anyone have an objective clue as to the status of the court proceedings, rather than just guessing? Must there not be some way of finding out if court proceedings are concluded or not, even if the content of the negotiations are not disclosed? Perhaps Genesi "won" the first round, but AInc is appealing, and that's the cause for the different
point of view?


Good question.  Unfortunately, as noted time and time again, the Washington court system is mired in... suck, no matter who's side you're on.  See: http://www.metrokc.gov/kcscc/ecr/ecrsum.html  
I think that's the right venue for some of this, anyway.

http://www.courts.wa.gov/
http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/
http://www.legalwa.org/ seems the place to turn if/when a decision is made at the Appellate or Supreme level.

http://prd.dor.wa.gov/prd_getinfo.asp?traid=601983734 might be of interest.  (That's the address of the shuttered  offices.)

It would be nice indeed to have any clue at all what's going on.  Even SCO had the courtesy to post the text of their complaint.

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Edit:  Oh, and as far as I can tell, this isn't about "what Genesi can port," since, like them or not, I don't think they own AInc. or Hyperion at present, and probably shouldn't have access to sources to conduct their own port(s).  Rather, it's that Genesi are representing a deal or settlement as final (with claims of DE and AmigaOS on PegasosPPC.com, if nothing else), while AInc. would (continue to) beg to differ.

What 'negotiations' have been going on behind the curtain, and/or what the courts have decided, seem to remain anyone's guess.  A few official-looking things turned up a while back, but IIRC, that was just someone's lawyers getting sent back to square one on procedural grounds.  (Anyone remember what that was, or do I have to go scrape ANN after I nap?)

DoubleEdit:  Wow, okay, I missed the claim over the DE.  Now, since the 'DE' barely exists in public form, I have no idea what that could consist of, but... more power to everyone.  If it *is* just a set of components on top of Elate/Intent, it should certainly run atop any port of Intent/Elate (that is, after all, the point, right?), but copyright of the 'real' sources is obviously a legal matter to worry about.  In turn, it's probably trivial to disassemble VP bytecode, but legally obtaining the bytecode for a 'product' that's mostly existed under tight license and NDA would be one hell of a trick.  Why do I get the feeling Bolton weighs into this, somehow?

...Either that, someone's tracked down individual developers like Jarno (Ami2D) and made them offers they can't refuse, or they picked up a dusty copy of the 'SDK' out of a bargain bin somewhere.   :roll:
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #66 on: August 21, 2003, 11:50:11 AM »
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redrumloa wrote:
B-Bye, don't let the door hit you in the ass. You only come to make false acusations and smear BS against this site anyhow.


Very cute, you really are one funny guy.
- Ooops there goes another Rib.

You know, it's understandable when another user makes those types of comments, but when a moderator makes it, the site is brought down.

But then again we all know that you prefer the blue side of the fence, so I guess it's hardly surprising you attacking me, given my stance.

Please Keep alienating Pro Amiga people, why don't you? IMHO, your comment continues to undermine the "neutrality" claims of this site.

Wonder who's bright idea it was to make you moderator?

Mikey C

Hmm Wonder if my comment here will be romoved as well?
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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #67 on: August 21, 2003, 11:59:00 AM »
"If someone is being "unprofessional" in this matter, it is not Genesi.
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill"

I thought he stated he didn't want anything to do with the Amiga trademark in the past. ...O MG.....
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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #68 on: August 21, 2003, 12:01:41 PM »
Im speechless, this may be a relief to you.
Hate figure. :lol:
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #69 on: August 21, 2003, 12:09:05 PM »
I contacted both Bill and Fleecy about the so called settlement, the AmigaDE license etc.

They told me categorically that there was no settlement and that the court process was not concluded.

To the best of my knowledge, the judge won't rule on the case until Winter.

A succesful conclusion of the case through settlement would immediately show up in the court documents that certain parties were so keen on to produce in the past.

The case will be struck from the docket etc.

There are no indications of that.

With respect to the EULA, whether or not certain provisions of a EULA are enforceabel or not, depends entirely on the jurisdiction you are in.

To claim that EULA's are not valid in Europe is nonsense.

Courts might object to shrinkwrapped license (as opposed to say, a license where you need to click on "I accept")  or might strike down certain provisions (as they have done in Germany) but there are almost no court decisons that rule that a EULA is illegal all by itself.
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #70 on: August 21, 2003, 12:15:39 PM »
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Poster: Kees Date: 2003/8/21 11:48:25

We think that his password was simply guessed ...


Kees I have a lot of respect for you,

However in this case I fear you have been misled. having just chatted with  Ray Akey, he assures me that his Amiga.org password was a mixture of lower and uppercase and that it wasn't a dictionary word.

So I fear that if he is telling the truth and I have no reason to disbelieve him, someone accessed his password, posted under his name and got him banned.

Which really scares the bejesus out of me, because now I'm not sure how safe my account is on here. :-(

Regards

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #71 on: August 21, 2003, 12:26:46 PM »
There are several points of entry into xoops.

First is the database tables, where the password can be read and deciphered quite easily. This requires someone with database read rights at the least on user tables.

Second is also the tables, where a row can simply be read and copied, and then updated and restored later on.

Thirdly are cookies. :-)

Fourthly are debug output inserted into php scripts.

Fifthly are social engineering methods and guessing.

Sixthly are man in the middle scenarios.

Finally, its not known when the password "guess" attack occurred.

So excuse me while I dispute the likelyhood of a guess. However any administrator worth his salt would go and check the contents of /var/log/httpd and trace back the users that made requests at the same time the article entries were made in the table.

That of course is just for starters.
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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #72 on: August 21, 2003, 12:28:13 PM »
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B-Bye, don't let the door hit you in the ass. You only come to make false acusations and smear BS against this site anyhow.


Redrumloa, he is right. This site isn't Amiga.org anymore.

I'm here since i have internet, this was a fantastic website, but now it is a ****

Thanks Genesi.
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #73 on: August 21, 2003, 12:30:26 PM »
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If someone is being "unprofessional" in this matter, it is not Genesi.

I can only laugh reading this :lol:
 

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Re: Statement From Bill McEwen on Thendic-Amiga
« Reply #74 from previous page: August 21, 2003, 12:34:01 PM »
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This site isn't Amiga.org anymore.
I'm here since i have internet, this was a fantastic website, but now it is a ****


Saying that isn't going to help change that .. or is it ?
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