Microsoft game pack in COMPUSA national flier.

[Ohno]

You have a point. As such, I thank you for your calm, logical input.

Well. thank you for listening.

I have proof, I am getting more. The truth will come out whether they want it to or not. There is no more reason for me to say anything here, except due to my outright frustration with them. If you're pleased with them, that's your deal. Your mileage obviously varies.

Well.. obviously. Whatever proof you have I'm anxious to see it myself. Maybe you're able to make me change my mind with that proof, or maybe Fleecy and co. have a good and valid explanation for me on the SDA-list when your evidence comes out. As long as you provide facts and proper arguments to back up your claims  I'm interested. For now, after the discussion on the SDA-list, I see no reason to not trust Amiga Inc. As always opinions will vary but personally I find it quite a coincidense that everything bad that happened the last few years seems to come out at about the same time, just when Amiga-Anywhere products are shipping,  Amiga One boards are sent out in quantity and OAS4 is nearing completion. I'm sure a whole lot of other rumours will appear soon when AOS4 itself ships. I for one am not going to believe these rumours without first having heard Amiga Inc's. side of the story.

In regards to Ray or Fleecy calling people names, you might need to look around a bit closer. Since we allow message editing, I'm having trouble locating a few of the known examples on our site, but they are out there.

OK. If you say so. Let's rephrase then: I've never actually SEEN Fleecy or Ray name-calling in public, even when they were being attacked and insulted. Maybe I missed it.  
Jee.. it looks like I'm missing a lot, doesn't it?  :-P

[AmigaHeretic]

if I have to be "nailed to the cross" to get it, so be it.

Ohh..Jesus Christ!!!!   (pun intended)

While it's great you want to protect "your" flock.  I think most of us grownups are capable if making our own decisions.  Sorry if 'you' think those choices are bad, but since this is not a government nor a religion I guess I don't have worry about any punishment.

It's noble that you want to help.  I think it's great that you want to share "the truth".  Please do so.  But your not our Dad, nor our savior.

AmigaGuy

[System]

@Amigaguy

You take me far too literally, but I -- like most people who try to expose the truth -- am feeling rather crucified in this situation.

[redrumloa]

It's noble that you want to help. I think it's great that you want to share "the truth". Please do so. But your not our Dad, nor our savior.

Then people should ACT like adults and not children.

[AmigaHeretic]

Then people should ACT like adults and not children.

You mean like not talking trash "until"  you actually have some evidence and are "ready" to show others??

AmigaGuy

[redrumloa]

You mean like not talking trash "until" you actually have some evidence and are "ready" to show others??

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This is going in circles :crazy:

[System]

Not only the distribution, but the APIs used in the game have been developed by Amiga Inc - and we're talking about a lot of APIs (see fleecy's earlier comment)! Obviously, some people are prepared to ignore this fact and criticise amiga inc and call them redundant anyway - but there's no change there as per usual!

The problem is that its very hard for US regular non developers to get any info... Amiga INC arent saying anything to the average joe, so its very hard for us to know whats going on behind the scenes.. To me who isnt a AA developer, it seems like the project is buried.

Actually it can be pretty hard for developers to get info too.  I signed the NDA straight away, figured I might sign an SDA later on if/when I needed extra support or when my project was nearer to completion when I would decide whether I should also sell out to MS to make some $.

If I had known about these API's being available to SDA developers I would have made that decision a lot sooner and may have saved a lot of time.

Signing that SDA isn't something that all of us take in their stride and more information needs to be made available for developers on amigadev.net.  I've had to spend a lot of time scouring the web, subscribing to lists and reading many different forums just to pick up a few tidbits..  Luckily I recently stumbled upon a link on some 3rd party site to  the #developer channel that I had searched for and failed to find earlier on all the popular irc networks so I no longer feel like I'm going at it alone.  (it's on irc.reefer.org btw)

[AmigaHeretic]

This is going in circles

Yeah, yeah...In the mean time why don't you guys through a bunch of FUD out there and with claims of "Well, we'll have proof real soon now!".  The fact that we've never seen any hard copies of it, but expect to recieve soom "real soon"....well, that doesn't matter.

AmigaGuy

[redrumloa]

Yeah, yeah...In the mean time why don't you guys through a bunch of FUD out there and with claims of "Well, we'll have proof real soon now!". .

For the last time facts have been presented, many refuse to accept them. Wayne will have more, undisputble evidence this time, soon enough. I'm pretty sure I know what he's talking about, and it will be undeniable. That's not FUD. FUD is claiming a comeptitor's product is illegal.

[System]

so amigaguy you think wayne and others should keep quiet while (possibly) lies are bieng told to us and us grownups (without knowledge of situation wich would make us change our minds quite possibly) go on believeing Bill is the CEO, and their 'on schedule and rockin' as they said?... I for one want all the facts of this situation available so I can make an informed descision... I've seen the evasive answers to questions posed to amiga.inc employees.. I want to see MORE then amiga.inc's side of this story... I think most of us do who have a brain left...

I for one dont trust Amiga.inc and in my eyes they have massively devaluated the Amiga name... 2 years ago I wanted my Pegasos to say 'Amiga' and run 'AmigaOS'... not I want my pegasos to stay a Pegasos and run MorphOS... I believe what I read about them as It appears to be backed up by good sources... e.g when asked about CEO situation they failed to answer non-evasive (makes me think the other side is telling the truth), the evasive answers to the t-shirt/coupon deal, the whole thing with bolton peck... the list goes on... to me if 1% is true its pathetic... Its my two cents on the issue.. thats all

(the above is my OPINON not a fact)

[redrumloa]

Wow 100 comments to a news item. Must have been good news:-)

[AmigaHeretic]

@red

As far as I'm aware FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.

Wayne will have more, undisputble evidence this time, soon enough. I'm pretty sure I know what he's talking about,

This is the  kind a cr*p I'm talking about "Wayne will have..."  Then you say, "I'm pretty sure I know what he's talking about"  You sound so sure that Wayne will have evidence, but then you say you don't even know what it is.  I find it hard to believe that you can be certain if "you" don't even know what the hell is he "supposedly" getting.

@mips

I don't think he should be quiet.  I think, since he doesn't have any of his proof yet, that if he is going to start "bashing" then he should at least say "What" evidence he is expecting to recieve and "How" that evidence relates to his "Claims".  

Just throwing out FUD and saying that I'll have proof someday, but I'm keeping my mouth shut about the proof for now doesn't cut it.

Either don't say anything, or present your "Bashing" with "what evidence" you are basing it on.  Just because he doesn't have hard copies doesn't mean he can't talk about the "evidence" since apparently he can "bash" without it.

AmigaGuy

[redrumloa]

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As far as I'm aware FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.

Yeah I know, like stating you are going to shut down your "illegal' competitor.

If I'm not mistaken you posted earlier you havnt been around lately, so how would you know if evidence has been presented? Besides anyoen who's been paying attention knows what Wayne is talking about. The "evidence" isnt exactly an impossibilty to get. Anyne with a word processor(or a pen), a blank sheet of paper, an envelope and a stamp can obtain the evidence.

But it seems from your recomendations and other, Wayne would rather say no more until he has the evidence in hand, so i don't want to spoil his surprise. :-D

[IonDeluxe]

Man this is so funny.
When the Gary Hare stuff and the Dutch company buying em out stuff was on everyone was saying woohoo.B McEwen is out, now we might get some truth out of em, blah blah blah.
Now thats all blown over and its back to Amiga Inc. is just a bunch of pricks, they lie and cheat and scam.

I wish you people would make up your mind

[System]

the evidence we've seen so far when subjectively viewed by the community convinces at least some already... myself included... you might ask 'what evidence?"  I say to that and this is in my opinon of course... since this is subjective... \

the evasiveness of Ray when I asked him the simple question to the effect of 'did bill write/convey bills update?"  he was evasive to that...

the business card

the (unconfirmed) story of Bolton Peck

the T-shirt/coupon situation...

these all combine in my mind to be enough proof to at a minimum tell me 'their is something wrong with this picture'

I think when we see all the evidence presented things will be alot better all around...

@Wayne

start the bidding on the business card at 25$ ...  because if someone dosent pay more I'll buy it I think you should put a piece of paper under the card and get some signatures on it for nostalgia...

[Paul_Gadd]

Amiga Inc are just glorified criminals who are up to their necks with all this stuff and use their fans as emotional shields

I wonder what other illegal activities those guys are involved in.

You would think they would stop after fraud and deception but no they will keep at it until they have enough money to run away.