Microsoft game pack in COMPUSA national flier.

[Kronos]

A few words :

1) Is the DE an Amiga, or even Amiga-related ? Only by name.

Sure it is nice tech, but it is not even as close tio being
"Amiga" as RiscOS/PC,BeOS/BOX or even QNX. Suggesting it would
be more "Amiga" than MOS or AROS is just insane.

2) Is the DE worth to be considered for developers ?

Not in it's current state. I'm quite sure that developing for
CE/.net is easier, maybe even cheaper if you put licence-fees/SDA
into the calc.

That's why most of the "big" Amiga-SW-companies never did anything
for the DE or have bailed out pretty soon (take epic as an example).

3) Do I believe in the super-secret updates, and plenty of SW "real soon" ?

Not after having heard the exact same stuff by the exact same
people over the last year (and it was pretty much the same
when I "left" in mid 2000).

3) Do I think that this the light at the end of the tunnel for AI ?

Not really, cos to many companies want to have a share of those
game-packs, and it isn't really ground-breaking for PDA-gaming.

[Ohno]

I for one am completely sick of the half-truths, hot air (aka real soon now promises) and outright bullshit from Amiga Inc.

And a lot of other peope are sick of name-calling etc. If you have issues with them, why resort to public name-calling. I know from earlier postings that you are very good expressing your opinion in a clear and non-abusive matter. Those comments made a real impression on me and made me look seriously at the points you put forward. Sometimes you even made me change my views because of proper arguments I hadn't thought of. The way you are expressing your views now just makes you look like any one of those people yelling, screaming, cursing and bitching on forums.. I know you are better than that.

As I stated earlier. I trust the guys at Amiga Inc. and they seem vey sincere to me. Maybe I am wrong and you are right, but at least I haven't found Fleecy or Ray name-calling others in public places.

If you have true evidence and you're so sure you can expose them it means you have a strong case and there's even less reason for your way of talking. More people will listen to your story if you base it on facts and restrain yourself from cursing and shouting.

Regards,

Onno

[Paul_Gadd]

This topic is about Microsoft so why even mention Amiga Inc ?

[System]

Onno,

You have a point.  As such, I thank you for your calm, logical input.

I have proof, I am getting more.  The truth will come out whether they want it to or not.  There is no more reason for me to say anything here, except due to my outright frustration with them.  If you're pleased with them, that's your deal.  Your mileage obviously varies.

In regards to Ray or Fleecy calling people names, you might need to look around a bit closer.  Since we allow message editing, I'm having trouble locating a few of the known examples on our site, but they are out there.

[AmigaHeretic]

@wayne

I totally aggree with Ohno.

People claim that all Amiga Inc. has to do is "tell the truth".  That the truth will set them free.  "Why hide things?" people say.  Just set it all out on the table right?

Well then, why is it O.k. for you to hide behind "The truth is coming." ??   Why the delay??  

It just seems a like a double standard to me.

AmigaGuy

[downix]

@fleecy

You know, not stating these things and, more to the point,
demonstrating them publically, you won't win people *to* the platform
that way.  I'd highly recommend getting someone onboard that knows
such minor things as MARKETING.

You see, if this list was posted to the AInc website, with more
details on these various elements, you'd gain developer curiosity.
And as any marketing guy can tell you, curiosity is what turned the
dead cat into a gold mine.

[redrumloa]

@amigaguy

There has been facts coming out, but people will believe what they want to believe. You cant force someone to "wake up and smell the coffee". All you can do is present MORE evidence when it comes available.

[System]

Why the delay??

Because quite simply stated, not everything that I have requested is in my possession at this time.  I've seen them, I know they are true, I just do not have the physical hard copies in my possession yet to present to the Amiga community.

[hnl_dk]

@ Wayne

This is not to insult You, but have You checked Your sources???

Do You have other sources than the friend (claims he is a pur ex-Amiga employee) of Your MorphOS friend (one of Your moderators), and the friend (Gary Hare) of a friend of the "enemy" (bbrv) of Amiga Inc.

[System]

I'm not insulted, and yes, I am very certain of my sources.  Those sources will be presented soon as I receive them in my hand.

I'm not going to say any more here.  There is, as ohno pointed out, no need to SAY anything more.

[Ohno]

1) Is the DE an Amiga, or even Amiga-related ? Only by name.

Well.. it's not called Amiga, but it is Amiga-Anywhere. It will be integrated into Amiga-OS which will make it more Amiga. For now hasn't got much to do with the classic Amiga's as we know it apart from the name. You are right there.
BUT. A lot of things in Amiga-Anywhere/DE actually remind me of the classic Amiga. Low memory footprint, optimized resource-usage and fun to develop for.
But you shouldn't look at DE as an operating system, but as a virtual computer system that needs to be programmed. Amiga is developing software for this environment to be more Amiga-alike. Remember how you could always insert a floppy into the classic Amiga and the game/application would start up? You didn't need to know anything about the Amiga to be able to use it and play games on it. Now we have something similar on PDA's. You can insert the SD-card and instantly you can play games. Most games I've had so far for my iPAQ required me to link up the iPAQ to my PC and install the application from within Windows.

2) Is the DE worth to be considered for developers ?

Depends on the developer I guess. Some people will still find it too rough around the edges.. some won't. I like to develop for this platform and help build it's future. And when I develop in java I can assure you that it's not any harder than developing in CE/.NET. C/C++ is harder and takes more time to develop in and Assembly is very low-level thus very time-consuming. But I do like it.

3) Do I believe in the super-secret updates, and plenty of SW "real soon" ?

You don't have to believe it if you don't have to.

3) Do I think that this the light at the end of the tunnel for AI ?

You're saying that too many companies want to have a share of those game-packs. Depends on what gamepack you mean. The one advertised here at compUSA only has one title I think which is Amiga-content? The Amiga Pocket Paks however have only two companies involved in them. Amiga and M$. M$ will take a share because they market it and put it out there. Amiga Inc. built the cards and delivered the content. Not very much companies taking a share I think. Unless you mean The developers who get paid for their content on those cards? Well.. yes.. they should get their share I think.

Regards,

Onno

[Paul_Gadd]

@Wayne

Even if you had hard evidence about those liars it would mean piss all when all you will see is loads of people ready to go in to battle covering up all sorts to protect their great company.

Amiga Inc are involved in fraud and deception it is simple as that and how the hell people can turn a blind eye while their fellow Amigans are getting shafted is just madness.

[IonDeluxe]

Well lets see
Bill McEwen is kicked out "he's gone"
Gary Hare is now CEO
A dutch firm has bought 50% of A inc.

This still is not enough for you Wayne, now you are going to AmiWest to make a rukus?

Don't forget your blue suit with the red boots cape and undies on the outside and a big "W" on the chest.

[hnl_dk]

@ Wayne

[Funmode]Your avatar is also proof that You are a Genesi freak ... God is a woman (Raquel) and Buck must be Jesus[/Funmode]

[System]

This still is not enough for you Wayne, now you are going to AmiWest to make a rukus?

I am going there to tell the truth.  If that makes me a disciple of any kind, then fine.  It doesn't matter what you think.  It's not about me.  It's not about Bill Buck.  It's not about Genesi.  This is about the truth.  

The Amiga community is owed nothing less than the truth and if I have to be "nailed to the cross" to get it, so be it.

[Ohno]

You have a point. As such, I thank you for your calm, logical input.

Well. thank you for listening.

I have proof, I am getting more. The truth will come out whether they want it to or not. There is no more reason for me to say anything here, except due to my outright frustration with them. If you're pleased with them, that's your deal. Your mileage obviously varies.

Well.. obviously. Whatever proof you have I'm anxious to see it myself. Maybe you're able to make me change my mind with that proof, or maybe Fleecy and co. have a good and valid explanation for me on the SDA-list when your evidence comes out. As long as you provide facts and proper arguments to back up your claims  I'm interested. For now, after the discussion on the SDA-list, I see no reason to not trust Amiga Inc. As always opinions will vary but personally I find it quite a coincidense that everything bad that happened the last few years seems to come out at about the same time, just when Amiga-Anywhere products are shipping,  Amiga One boards are sent out in quantity and OAS4 is nearing completion. I'm sure a whole lot of other rumours will appear soon when AOS4 itself ships. I for one am not going to believe these rumours without first having heard Amiga Inc's. side of the story.

In regards to Ray or Fleecy calling people names, you might need to look around a bit closer. Since we allow message editing, I'm having trouble locating a few of the known examples on our site, but they are out there.

OK. If you say so. Let's rephrase then: I've never actually SEEN Fleecy or Ray name-calling in public, even when they were being attacked and insulted. Maybe I missed it.  
Jee.. it looks like I'm missing a lot, doesn't it?  :-P