Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents?

[Orgin]

@CodeSmith

"but your current attempts at online diplomacy are causing more harm than good"

True indeed.

/Björn

[bbrv]

Hi CodeSmith...

That was a good "smiley."  Raquel's brother used to live in Bellvue and I have been to Fort Lewis many times -- and arriving in many different ways...;-)  Hooah!

Yes, we are courting public opinion.  Please read the post you must have just missed above.  Again, you are certainly entitiled to your opinion, but in our view this whole approach has had VERY positive effect for us.

Sincerely,

R&B

[Orgin]

"Yes, we are courting public opinion."

LoL, well atleast they admit to it.

/Björn

[System]

@ Bill Buck

Mike Bouma, you pass yourself off as an impartial journalist.

I keep hearing the same statements from you guys over and over again.

Once more, as I have stated this publicly many times already:
1) I am an AmigaOS fan, my articles are therefor biased from an AmigaOS fan point of view.
2) My views are based on the information available to me. Based on the information available to me, this news item is very misleading and based on an ancient agreement for a PocketPC powered device.
3) In my opinion everyone is biased to some  extend. In fact, you are trying to create positive bias towards you among Amiga journalists, for example by offering them discounts on Pegasos hardware.
 

Further, if you have read it, how? Did someone who had signed an NDA let you read it?

Exactly, you are pointing to parts of the legal document which are under NDA. You know Ben will not reveal what is written under paragraph 4.2, so you are only sowing confusion.

There are no royalties currently due.

And will there ever be an intention to actually use this license (paying royalties)? In general my feeling is that you acquired this license originally solely to create mindshare among the Amiga community. Yes that's my opinion. You guys even announced this "agreement" far before Amiga Inc was ready to do so. IMO that says alot.

[JurassicCamper]

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[System]

You guys even announced this "agreement" far before Amiga Inc was ready to do so. IMO that says alot.

In retrospect it looks pretty much like thendic planned to drop Amiga from the beginning and just needed such an announcement to lure some developers and potential buyers away.

[Valan]

We have tried to work with them, but we want to do what we want to do -- not what they want to force us to do. It would be wonderful if we could work together, but this is not a precondition for us to move ahead.

There is the source of the problem!
If I have it right then Thendic wanted to play in Amiga Incs house but Amiga said Thendic has to play a certain game. Thendic didn't want to play that game and so went home.

If Thendic had gone along with Amiga Inc and done what Amiga Inc wanted initially then they would have the relationship to 'expand' the idea later.

Now we see that Amiga Inc is about to get the result of its labour. All the kids are going to Amiga Incs house and Thendic wants to play again.

I think Thendic need to keep knocking and eat a bit of humble pie for a while.

Valan

[System]

Finally, for all of you that are so quick to criticize the use of these Boards to publicize opinions or ambitions, what are you doing? How does the field of action look from the bleechers? Worse, how about those anonymous folks who do not even have enough guts to say "here I am," but throw mud from hidden positions with no intention of responsibility or accountability. Who is a "Punk?"

I am one of the anonymous critics on ANN (simply because i cant be bothered to type a meaningless handle for every post but thats another story).

My first reaction to this would be a wholehearted "FUKU". On second thought Id like to refine my answer.

What I am doing is critizing YOU for mentionting a 2 years old contract that ...
... has been agreed to under different circumstances
... applies only under certain conditions which you fail to mention
... is closed under nda and therefor cant be checked by the public
... was mentioned in a away that implies it would have any effect which it obviously does not
... was mentioned in a very unprofessional way on a public forum (i realize the news item was posted by alkis not thendic itself)
... could possibly be cancelled due to the genesi merger
... was brought up originally in a completely unrelated thread

Either post the contract you keep talking about in public or ...

[bbrv]

Hi Ketzer,

Why don't you come to Aachen and we can discuss this face to face.  You can sign an NDA like Ben Hermans and read the contract.  You will discover that you and others are in complete error concerning this Agreement.

Why don't you make an attempt to see this from another perspective?

Best regards,

R&B

[Valan]

What is the point of all this?

Chipping away at the public awareness towards the legitamacy of your claim will not solve the major issue.

Thendic want to be part of the Amiga product.

If the license is legal then take the evidence to a court and get a court order for amiga Inc to supply you with the goods. Amiga Inc has already stated that the legallity of licenses will be judged in court and not through forums.

Valan

[Senex]

I, too, wonder what all the fuss is about here. Being at work currently I don't have the time to study it in more detail, but after a first quick read I really wonder what's going on here at amiga.org. I.e. what problem the commentators here do have with that piece of information.

There has been a thread on ANN in which someone rose the question about AmigaDE for MorphOS. This lead bbrv to mention that they still do have a valid license for AmigaDE - so that this could be a possibility if there would be someone wanting to do this project for and paid by Thendic.

Therefore I clearly can't understand all the mud-wrestling here against Thendic. Someone asked a question at ANN, Thendic replied to it - and normally that could have been all, End of Discussion.

I fail to see the point all of you here have against Thendic. Even you, Ketzer, although you at least mentioned a few points - but how could you condemn bbrv for talking about a contract nobody of the public can read and in the same moment use the very same contract yourself against them?

And again: Thendic just replied to a question regarding the possibility of AmigaDE for their products. The FUD out of it has been made by others afterwards, but clearly not by Genesi & friends.

[Senex]

Furthermore again I think it's a very good thing Thendic makes all these things public so that the community (which has been told plenty of lies in the past already - by the current Amiga Inc. as well) has a chance to make their own opinion about all this.

Nobody could control which side would say the truth if all that would only happen through "the official channels".

Thendic shows the readiness to speak about it in public, among witnesses. While Amiga Inc. & Co. seem to have reasons to don't do so...

Btw: Is the lone, orphaned Pegasos still waiting for his new daddy in Paris...?

[System]

@ Senex

Interesting opinion you have there, I would have said exactly the opposite. To bring all this confusion onto the public, is the worst you could IMO do for the sake of the Amiga community.

There are tons of examples where leading figures have fought issues publicly, with the witness of the general public. IMO this has greatly degraded and damaged the general image of the entire Amiga community.

For example, revealing Fleecy's confidential email meant solely for Bill Buck personally in the past, was very bad IMO. Just like Mr Buck now wants to discuss NDAed material on public forums.

Personally, I don't want to see Amiga employees fighting a "Did so" / "Did not" game on public forums.

[System]

The public cannot make up their mind because the public cannot see the contract. That is also why its unprofessional to discuss this in public. There is no benefit at all to the community - only more confusion.

@bbrv:
Im not sure yet if i will be in aachen. I am definately sure that im not even slightly interested in your product(s) and I see no reason to legally bind myself just to verify a claim made in some newsgroup.

Even if i did ... its legal talk and must be interpreted by a court and i wouldnt be able to discuss my findings afterwards (nda).

Edit: Since this whole things is under nda ... how come you can make claims to its contents without breaking said nda?

[Kees]

** boing boing **

[Orgin]

Approach to heal the community Type 1:

"Hi all.

We can see that there is some interrest in running AmigaDE software on MorphOS. In the year 2000 we spoke with Amiga Inc about AmigaDE on our PDA style device and signed a licence agreement to run AmigaDE. This could form a basis to porting AmigaDE to MorphOS and if there are some developers willing to take on such a task we would in turn be willing to contact Amiga Inc about this issue.

Regards
R&B"

Approach to heal the community Type 2:

R&B: "We have a contract to use AmigaDE as we see fit and use all Amiga trademarks and patents!!"

Community: "Wha? Huh? really?"

AInc: "Hmm, no you don't."

R&B: "Yes we do! Look at paragraph 4.2, haha!"

R&B: "They left the discussion so we must be right, haha! They have done so before, so we must be even more right! Haha!  We are the ones trying to heal the community!"

/Björn