New AmigaOS???

[Jupp3]

What I ask to those people is just to stop pretending anyone else should agree with them: time for classic Amiga has finished, like it happened for C64, ...

Wait, are you saying that C64 would be "dead"?

Well sometimes it seems that C64 scene is more alive than Amiga scene imho :-)

There are even new hardware products, such as MMC Replay and 1541 Ultimate.

[drHirudo]

Jupp3 wrote:

What I ask to those people is just to stop pretending anyone else should agree with them: time for classic Amiga has finished, like it happened for C64, ...

Wait, are you saying that C64 would be "dead"?

Well sometimes it seems that C64 scene is more alive than Amiga scene imho :-)

There are even new hardware products, such as MMC Replay and 1541 Ultimate.

But the Amiga wins on the hardware front - there is Deneb, Indivision, Minimig, CatWeasel, FastATA, Lyra, SubWay, Delfina, Buddha. Well no new accelerator boards for years, but where I can buy SuperCPU? They have C-One, but the Amiga have AmigaOne, SAM, Pegasos, Efika. On the software front if you sum the releases on AmigaOS 3.x, AmigaOS 4.x, MorphOS and AROS, they are much more than the C64 released. So if you are retro computer hobbyist, the Amiga is more interesting, and more money demanding too. Because to have all these controllers and hardware is much more than buying RRNet and MMCReplay and attach them to a router in your home network.

[skurk]

drHirudo wrote:
But the Amiga wins on the hardware front - there is Deneb, Indivision, Minimig, CatWeasel, FastATA, Lyra, SubWay, Delfina, Buddha.

Well, USB and PCI on the C64 ain't going to happen anyways, so why bother.  There's lots of new hardware being produced for the C64 as well.  The latest that caught my attention was the Ultimate 1541.  AFAIK, we don't have anything like that in production on the Amiga.

Well no new accelerator boards for years, but where I can buy SuperCPU?

Well, how about right here?  It's a few months long waiting list, but it's in production.  I know, I was in touch with them a little while ago.

They have C-One, but the Amiga have AmigaOne, SAM, Pegasos, Efika.

Why list Pegasos and Efika?  You can't run AOS on any of those?  The Peg and A1 is long dead anyways..

On the software front if you sum the releases on AmigaOS 3.x, AmigaOS 4.x, MorphOS and AROS, they are much more than the C64 released.

Did you just make that up, or do you have some real numbers to prove it?  $10 says you hardly pay any attention to the C64 scene.

So if you are retro computer hobbyist, the Amiga is more interesting, and more money demanding too. Because to have all these controllers and hardware is much more than buying RRNet and MMCReplay and attach them to a router in your home network.

Uh.. I... yeah, whatever.

[drHirudo]

skurk wrote:

drHirudo wrote:
But the Amiga wins on the hardware front - there is Deneb, Indivision, Minimig, CatWeasel, FastATA, Lyra, SubWay, Delfina, Buddha.

Well, USB and PCI on the C64 ain't going to happen anyways, so why bother.  There's lots of new hardware being produced for the C64 as well.  The latest that caught my attention was the Ultimate 1541.  AFAIK, we don't have anything like that in production on the Amiga.

Floppy emulator for Amigas was development long time ago: picture right on Amiga.org, but the I prefer WHDLoad+Hard Drive (CF card) combination. May be because of WHDLoad, the floppy emulators are not popular on the Amiga. Simply because of no demand at all.

Well no new accelerator boards for years, but where I can buy SuperCPU?

Well, how about right here?  It's a few months long waiting list, but it's in production.  I know, I was in touch with them a little while ago.

Hey, good to know. I may consider buying one, after I have satisfactory Amiga setups I will buy RRNet, RetroReplay, MMC+ for the C64, but only after I have the SAM with big SATA hard drive and the best graphics card it can accept. Of course in a cool case. And then fixing the old A1200 with some additional cards, and the the A4000 with Deneb and Flash card. Oh well, may be the C64 will not get any attention at all.

They have C-One, but the Amiga have AmigaOne, SAM, Pegasos, Efika.

Why list Pegasos and Efika?  You can't run AOS on any of those?  The Peg and A1 is long dead anyways..

Some people claim that they are Amiga relatives (Amiga). Why else they would mentioned on Amiga.org in Amiga context. Probably the same way the C-One is relative to the C64. New hardware, emulating the old. I prefer the AmigaOne and SAM though.

On the software front if you sum the releases on AmigaOS 3.x, AmigaOS 4.x, MorphOS and AROS, they are much more than the C64 released.

Did you just make that up, or do you have some real numbers to prove it?  $10 says you hardly pay any attention to the C64 scene.

I see the activity on once a great C64 news portal and it is not as active as used to be. CSDB with all the graphics don't impress me at all. On the other hand Aminet, OS4Depot and scene.org receive new Amiga productions, even some of these repositories on daily basis. And I visit more the Speccy sites, where it have very strong scene in ex USSR (mainly Russia now) which releases interesting stuff, but you need to know Russian on some of the more active sites.

So if you are retro computer hobbyist, the Amiga is more interesting, and more money demanding too. Because to have all these controllers and hardware is much more than buying RRNet and MMCReplay and attach them to a router in your home network.

Uh.. I... yeah, whatever.

Yeah, I know I can connect only the RRNet to the router, next to my Amigas. With the contiki I will browse the net, or play some games. The C64 is good, only if I can get a proper picture with the Scart cable I have. But my love is the Amiga.

I am not attacking the Commie. Don't get me wrong. I like retro computers, as much as I like the Oric, the Sinclair and the Apple II. But saying it have more activity than the Amiga is if nothing else, a stupid claim. The Amiga is the most active retro/hobbies/alternative computer platform to date, and I am active participant in many retro communities, you can trust me. That's why I stand behind my words that the Amiga (in the classic and AmigaOS 4.x form) is the most active retro/hobbyist/alternative platform, now and probably in the near future with the SAM hardware now available in the shops.

[Jupp3]

Well, USB and PCI on the C64 ain't going to happen anyways, so why bother.

I saw USB adaptor for MSX-1. As it fits the joystick port, I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work on C64 aswell.





Too bad it was compatible only with devices, that need only power through USB, such as lamps, fans and fridges :-D
(so basically it just connects power line to matching line on USB, no control over anything really)

[AeroMan]

May I lay one suggestion and one question:

- I never liked the way Linux launchs tasks/processes: creating a copy of the actual one and replacing it after. It takes some processing time and it does not seems so useful to me.
  Is it possible to have beside the POSIX functions (for compatibility), Amiga style functions? Having the code somewhere in RAM and pointing out as a new task seems more straightforward than make a copy of the actual one  :-)

- Could hardware drivers run outside kernel space? Let's suppose, you could run the kernel in ring 0 and drivers in ring 1 or 2. The idea is to get rid of blue screens and lock ups caused by stuff running at the same level of the kernel.
  Would this impact in using available hardware drivers?


 

[bloodline]

Atheist wrote:

paolone wrote:

What I ask to those people is just to stop pretending anyone else should agree with them: time for classic Amiga has finished, like it happened for C64, Atari ST, Windows 3.1 and many, many others. A platform to survive must evolve. No evolution, no party.

Not true paolone, because an A1200 in an Amiga Fantasy case in a RELATIVE PRICE to today's HW WOULD sell in the millions. (Say, ~$140 US plus tax including HD and built in 56K modem, ethernet and cable modem.)

You wouldn't be able to sell more than 10... Who even uses dialup anymore? I can't remember the last time I saw an ISP offering dialup!!!

Of course, the CPU would have to be a 68060 @100MHz with MMU and FPU (that's not new evolved tech) and have full ram, say 1 Gig and 2 Meg chip. I'm assuming here your "no evolution".

My Mobile Phone has a more powerful CPU, More powerful GFX (including 3D), better Audio and MANY MANY MANY more apps an games... Oh yeah and it has an always on Broadband connection... it cost £150...

Which would you buy? The Crappy A1200, 15 years out of date... or the Mobile Phone that I have?

But hey, we've actually WON, there's NatAmi!!!!!

Sorry... where can I buy this NatAmi? What makes it better than the cheapest x86box I can buy for £80?

[uncleted]

I think realistically this is the logical progression, since even if we truely had a proper new AmigaOS, it wouldn't run with a 3.1 style kernel.  Most likely we'd have a new kernel with old apps running under emulation (like OS X used to do.)  It's kind of odd how we're so attached to 3.x anyway, since there's nothing much on there that even remotely compares with any software you have today.

I'm not opposed at all to Anubis, I'll wait and see how it goes, in the meantime I'll still be working with AROS and maybe OS 4.1, assuming I get some spare cash for it.

The main problem we have is people who want to define Amiga-ness, anything that's not Amiga gospel is not for them, frankly I wouldn't be bothered with what they say, since nothing will ever be a true Amiga successor.

[hbarcellos]

Sorry to interrupt this high level and philosophical discussion, but, I was away for a while, doing some work for another vintage platform, but what is Anubis?

A Linux based OS that runs on regular X86's, have binary 68k compatibility by using UAE engine, Amiga style windows, intuition libraries and yet capable of running modern firefox, open office and etc... on my main PC???

There's someone fighting against it?? I want it!!!

[bloodline]

hbarcellos wrote:
Sorry to interrupt this high level and philosophical discussion, but, I was away for a while, doing some work for another vintage platform, but what is Anubis?

A Linux based OS that runs on regular X86's, have binary 68k compatibility by using UAE engine, Amiga style windows, intuition libraries and yet capable of running modern firefox, open office and etc... on my main PC???

There's someone fighting against it?? I want it!!!

The most sensible thing said in this thread :-)

[Atheist]

bloodline wrote:

Sorry... where can I buy this NatAmi? What makes it better than the cheapest x86box I can buy for £80?

Hi bloodline,

There are 6467 members here other than you and me.

I guess they should all leave and get that £80 x86 because you have shown them and me the way?


P.S. Funny story. Redrumloa just put an x86 together. It was ~$2100 US.

[Atheist]

bloodline wrote:

My Mobile Phone has a more powerful CPU, More powerful GFX (including 3D), better Audio and MANY MANY MANY more apps an games... Oh yeah and it has an always on Broadband connection... it cost £150...

Which would you buy? The Crappy A1200, 15 years out of date... or the Mobile Phone that I have?

Hi bloodline,

I know you asked me first, but answer me this; how is it that you're not a troll with comments such as these?

[bloodline]

Atheist wrote:

bloodline wrote:

My Mobile Phone has a more powerful CPU, More powerful GFX (including 3D), better Audio and MANY MANY MANY more apps an games... Oh yeah and it has an always on Broadband connection... it cost £150...

Which would you buy? The Crappy A1200, 15 years out of date... or the Mobile Phone that I have?

Hi bloodline,

I know you asked me first, but answer me this; how is it that you're not a troll with comments such as these?

Look back any my post history... Feel free to report me to the mods of you feel I'm trolling :-)

[Atheist]

bloodline wrote:

My Mobile Phone has a more powerful CPU, More powerful GFX (including 3D), better Audio and MANY MANY MANY more apps an games... Oh yeah and it has an always on Broadband connection... it cost £150...

And is there ANYTHING on it comparable to the ease of use of AMOS Professional & compiler?

So, the answer to your question is the same as the answer to mine.

[Atheist]

bloodline wrote:

Atheist wrote:

bloodline wrote:

My Mobile Phone has a more powerful CPU, More powerful GFX (including 3D), better Audio and MANY MANY MANY more apps an games... Oh yeah and it has an always on Broadband connection... it cost £150...

Which would you buy? The Crappy A1200, 15 years out of date... or the Mobile Phone that I have?

Hi bloodline,

I know you asked me first, but answer me this; how is it that you're not a troll with comments such as these?

Look back any my post history... Feel free to report me to the mods of you feel I'm trolling :-)

Well, up above you're recommending Amiga 1200s (I'll assume weaker HW as well, oh and of course all those broken AmigaOnes too) be thrown into landfill. I don't see a reason for this website to exist if that's your across the board advice to everyone.

[drHirudo]

My Mobile Phone has a more powerful CPU, More powerful GFX (including 3D), better Audio and MANY MANY MANY more apps an games... Oh yeah and it has an always on Broadband connection... it cost £150...

Which would you buy? The Crappy A1200, 15 years out of date... or the Mobile Phone that I have?

Did you type all this from your Mobile Phone? Do you enjoy typing long post on Mobile Phone? Did you enjoy surfing on Mobile Phone? Do you play Chaos Engine and Sensible Soccer on your mobile phone?
I know I don't. And for Amiga.org browse I prefer my crappy A1200 over your mobile phone. Mobile Phone is good for talking, but not good for surfing. Got the point?