New AmigaOS???

[TheCyberCo]

OK, why does everybody call it a "new OS", if it is Linux based? Take the kernel add some gadgets, an intuition.lib, some old-styled amiga like window handling and name it "Amiga inspired" and therefore remove power from other well-running projects...?

OK, time may show, but I do not like Linux, so why should I like Anubis?

[weirdami]

because otherwise he'll eat your chickens in the night

[adz]

TheCyberCo wrote:

...well-running projects...?

Which well running projects are you referring to?

[Jiffy]

adz wrote:
Which well running projects are you referring to?

Most likely something like Beos or OS/2... :-D

[bloodline]

TheCyberCo wrote:
OK, why does everybody call it a "new OS", if it is Linux based?

Linux is a Kernel not an OS.

Take the kernel add some gadgets, an intuition.lib, some old-styled amiga like window handling and name it "Amiga inspired" and therefore remove power from other well-running projects...?

AmigaOS has one major limitation, the Kernel. The AmigaOS Kernel was designed to run on a 7Mhz CPU with only 512K of RAM, in order to do that the designers had to make many design decisions... The most serious which is the pervasive use of Pointer passing between tasks. This imposes a massive limitation as to how to implement modern memory management (to increase security, stability and allow multiple CPU support). Due to this implementing a complete POSIX environment in AmigaOS is not possible... and since 99% of Open source software (OpenOffice, Mozilla, etc...) need such an environment, you will never see them on AmigaOS.

You could design a new Kernel for AmigaOS... but that would take a long time, be incompatible with the old kernel, be full of bugs, untested, unproven and more to the point just; like any other modern Kernel except without hardware support.

The solution, take a mature Kernel which already has good hardware support and use that instead. Job done, now lets make our OS how we want it.

OK, time may show, but I do not like Linux, so why should I like Anubis?

Give it time, you may never like it.

[drHirudo]

If this new OS is on linux based kernel, then it is just another Linux distro, like the thousand others. It won't have anything to do with AmigaOS, but on the other side, it can bring some developers to it from the Linux community. For me AmigaOS 4.1 goes well and stands alone from the other AmigaOS splits/clones/immitations/whatever, and with the new hardware, people bored with AROS and who want to tinker with AmigaOS, can join with SAM board, or even second hand AmigaOnes.

[takemehomegrandma]

drHirudo wrote:
If this new OS is on linux based kernel, then it is just another Linux distro, like the thousand others. It won't have anything to do with AmigaOS, but on the other side, it can bring some developers to it from the Linux community. For me AmigaOS 4.1 goes well and stands alone from the other AmigaOS splits/clones/immitations/whatever, and with the new hardware, people bored with AROS and who want to tinker with AmigaOS, can join with SAM board, or even second hand AmigaOnes.

You are joking, right?

[dammy]

If this new OS is on linux based kernel, then it is just another Linux distro, like the thousand others. It won't have anything to do with AmigaOS, but on the other side, it can bring some developers to it from the Linux community.

You have an amazing opinion for someone who has no clue on what your talking about.  But then again, your just another red troll so I shouldn't be too surprised at your ignorance. To demonstrate this, go proudly state to anyone that is using OS-X that it's just another BSD distro and see if they laugh in your face or not.

Dammy

[dammy]

You are joking, right?

No he isn't, he clearly understands what basing a new OS around a proven and modern kernel can give to the end user and what that will do to demand for OS4. I expect to see a WIP ISO release in January.

Dammy

[uncharted]

dammy wrote:

You are joking, right?

No he isn't, he clearly understands what basing a new OS around a proven and modern kernel can give to the end user and what that will do to demand for OS4. I expect to see a WIP ISO release in January.

Hang on, one moment he's clueless, the next he's a calculating Troll?  Which one is it?

[dammy]

Hang on, one moment he's clueless, the next he's a calculating Troll? Which one is it?

More I think about it, the more he sounds like a troll as I wade through some posts on AWN.  

Dammy

[uncharted]

Putting aside my amusement at this development after the postal beatings I got from certain members of the AROS community a couple of months ago regarding the direction of AROS and forking...

My only beef with the Linux kernal itself is the sometimes pain-in-the-arse way it deals with drivers.  Having as many drivers available as is possible is all well and good, but if your have to go through hell and back to get them working (or in some cases not) then it takes a bit of the shine away.

I'm looking at this project with much interest.  I have a Linux/X-Amiga box here ready and waiting to give it a go.  The main concern I have is if too much GNU (as in Linux/GNU not the GPL) stuff creeps in and it loses some of that amiganess.  Other OS projects seem to be unable to withstand the urge to become yet-another-Linux.  Only time will tell.

[bloodline]

uncharted wrote:
Putting aside my amusement at this development after the postal beatings I got from certain members of the AROS community a couple of months ago regarding the direction of AROS and forking...

Well Anubis isn't a fork... Though I will do my best to ensure that any useable AROS code will make it into the project. How much is usable remains to be seen.

My only beef with the Linux kernal itself is the sometimes pain-in-the-arse way it deals with drivers.  Having as many drivers available as is possible is all well and good, but if your have to go through hell and back to get them working (or in some cases not) then it takes a bit of the shine away.

I agree, which is why I dumped Linux long ago... Anubis doesn't have to be so difficult.

I'm looking at this project with much interest.  I have a Linux/X-Amiga box here ready and waiting to give it a go.  The main concern I have is if too much GNU (as in Linux/GNU not the GPL) stuff creeps in and it loses some of that amiganess.  Other OS projects seem to be unable to withstand the urge to become yet-another-Linux.  Only time will tell.

Yup, let the project roll along for a bit and see how it works out :-)

[Hans_]

dammy wrote:

If this new OS is on linux based kernel, then it is just another Linux distro, like the thousand others. It won't have anything to do with AmigaOS, but on the other side, it can bring some developers to it from the Linux community.

You have an amazing opinion for someone who has no clue on what your talking about.  But then again, your just another red troll so I shouldn't be too surprised at your ignorance. To demonstrate this, go proudly state to anyone that is using OS-X that it's just another BSD distro and see if they laugh in your face or not.

Dammy

Another red troll? The guy has made a total of two posts here and you're already labeling him? I haven't seen him post anything Amiga OS 4 related, so he could be anything.

Hans

[dammy]

The main concern I have is if too much GNU (as in Linux/GNU not the GPL) stuff creeps in and it loses some of that amiganess.

That's been a major concern with the core Anubis Devs as well.  I've been pretty impressed by their concerns for long term development so basic decisions (ie xcb vs opengl) are being thought out long and hard.

Dammy