AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?

[Seehund]

amigammc wrote:
>Amiga Inc. isn't delaying anything, they're just way, way behind.

Somebody is in for a surprise... ;-)

I can't say I care all that much about whether AInc is behind or ahead with anything they're doing. I'm not interested in any of their products (AACE and the games they're distributing for it).

The status of Hyperion's and bplan's work is what I suppose most of us here are interested in. It's about damn time for a first release, and it would not be surprising if it happened, or at least a demo, at WoASE.

[wonea]

As time runs on MorphOS seems to be the most viable.  For alor of reasons;

1. Its basically available now
2. Years of testing have already happened, and V1.0 is out the door.
3. Good PR
4. Active application development
5. Vendors selling Pegasos based machines, essential.
6. Fully loaded workbench running in 3.5 seconds!  Time to smile.

I loved the Amiga, but don't own one anymore.  However Pegasos/MorphOS is first glimmer of life I've seen in a long time.  A pegasos based machine will be my choice.

[strobe]

It's about damn time for a first release, and it would not be surprising if it happened, or at least a demo, at WoASE.

I for one would be flabbergasted if they demontrated AOS4 running on new hardware. Heck, I would be surprised if they ran it on a A4000 and then let people play with it. If anything is to be demontrated it'll be behind the velvet rope.

Not that I wouldn't be pleasantly flabbergasted.

[The_Editor]

They will BOTH be at woase so I cant see AI/Hyperion/Thendic/Bplan  getting away with pulling any "fast ones" on us.

Either way......

It "Should" be interesting.

[Wittgenstein]

I loved the Amiga, but don't own one anymore. However Pegasos/MorphOS is first glimmer of life I've seen in a long time. A pegasos based machine will be my choice.  

Yeah, I agree with you. I really think Pegasos and MOS looks nice but there are a few thing that keeps me from going the MOS at this time.

1. I want to test BOTH AOS4 and MOS and compare the two OSes. I dont want to buy MOS and then a few month later AOS4 kick MOS's butt.

2. I want to see what most of the people buy. I dont want to be stuck with a Pegasos and MOS if 99% of all Amiga users buy A1 and AOS4.

3. I will not buy MOS until it comes out of this "secret" BETA-phase. I want to know what I am buying.

Ofcourse all these points hold in the reverse direction if AOS4 is released before MOS.

/W

[strobe]

1) If MOS is an excellent product why would you wait? Sure, they may say "wait one month" but we all know how long an Amiga month is (usually ends up being infinity).

2) I think most people will buy whichever product is stable first. Anyway the APIs will be similar or identical for the most part so I doubt this will be a problem, software developers want to sell the most titles.

3) BETATESTERII isn't "secret". You don't have to sign an NDA or any other such restriction. Is I understand it, it's just like buying the end product, only earlier. You buy the product from a distributor and you can do whatever you want with it.

[hnl_dk]

If MOS is an excellent product why would you wait? Sure, they may say "wait one month" but we all know how long an Amiga month is (usually ends up being infinity).

MorphOS is also only in Betatesting yet, just as AmigaOS! So when AmigaOS is an excellent product, why would you wait???

You also need to wait to get MorphOS, if you are not going to betatest, just like AmigaOS!!!

[strobe]

The situation is not the same. The AmigaOS beta test is closed, BETATESTERII is more like a pre-release.

Basically you don't sign any papers. You just walk to your local dealer and buy it. It's the same as buying the full product except it isn't the 'release version' yet.

So in spite of you using a lot of exclamation marks, your claim that the situation is analogous is dead wrong.

Noone will EVER build a 3-CPU-system, cos it just doesn't make any sense.

Kronos

Here is a message from Realtech that Be Inc. Did make a 3-processor capable system. -david (it's from the PC demo group Realtech. the message is old, but it shows this could have been done)

I wonder if Amiga will be "more than a memory?"

"More than a memory" (Mas que un recuerdo)
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  We form the group in 1994, and we release our first mega demo, 'Megamix' at
the biggest demo-convention, the Assembly, held in Helsinki, Finland.

  In the very same year, we improved our 3D engine and realtime a vector demo
called 'Dimension' at the Party IV, the largest demo party in Danemark.
It was 5th best PC demo.

  Then we decide to release only 3D demonstrations. In 1995, we broken the
limit of VGA at Assembly 95, releasing the real first Super VGA full screen
3D demonstration 'DX Project' which came 3rd best PC demo.

  The SuperVGA become our speciality. At the Wired 95, we released on of the
first VESA 2.00 Super VGA 3D demonstration (CountDown), the first demo which
is ' smooth ever in 1024x768' says the press (came 5th)

  At the Party V, we release a HiColor Super VGA demonstration, and an other
SuperVGA demo.

  Now, we have really improve our engine, and we are making game. We are
now Realtech VR (VR stands for Virtual Reality).
 
  We also developping for the brain new machine, the BeBox.
It features 2 PowerPC 603 at 66Mhz of 133Mhz, and 8 processors can be mounted
on the machine. A high performance PCI bus, and a lot of external connection,
and a high quality sound card
A demonstration will be release maybe for the Party VI or Assembly'97).
We think that is the real successor of the Amiga.

  A home page will be available soon, with more information about us, and
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[Wittgenstein]

1) If MOS is an excellent product why would you wait? Sure, they may say "wait one month" but we all know how long an Amiga month is (usually ends up being infinity).

Yes, but I can wait a few month more. If we havnt seen any progress on AO4 in Q2 2003 then Ill go MOS (If its release in a non beta version).

2) I think most people will buy whichever product is stable first. Anyway the APIs will be similar or identical for the most part so I doubt this will be a problem, software developers want to sell the most titles.

Yes, you "think". I want to know. Therefore I'll wait to see which of the platforms that will be the most popular.

3) BETATESTERII isn't "secret". You don't have to sign an NDA or any other such restriction. Is I understand it, it's just like buying the end product, only earlier. You buy the product from a distributor and you can do whatever you want with it.

No, it is not "buying the end product only earlier". I have been in contact with several people that has bought the Pegasos + MOS 1.0 without NDA. They are all very impressed with the speed and the OS but they also complained about stability and other kinds of troubles. This might be hardware troubles like crapy memory, or bugs in MOS, but the point I am trying to make is that I will not buy a platform that still is called "BETA" by the manufacturer. I think, by calling it "BETA", THENDIC admits that their product isnt good enough to be called "FINAL".

Also, before I buy a product I want to have, on a piece of paper, what features the product has. I know, I can ask a betatester, but I want to have this paper to know what THENDIC promise me. If they havent said anything about its feature I cant complain if something doesnt work the way I think it should.  

Who would buy a car without knowing anything about its engine? Can you then complain if it turns out that it only has 15 horsepowers instead of 150?

/W

[strobe]

The reason why you can talk about the product like that is because it isn't "secret", which was my point. I'm not telling you to to buy the thing, sheesh!

Did I say it was "FINAL"? Then don't fúcking quote "FINAL". You seem to have some pent up rage with somebody OTHER than me.

PS: I don't give a flying fúck what your buying habits are, so you can save your "Also, before I buy a product..." for your mother or spouse. Did I ask for your life history? Good grief.

It's all a mess...  UAE/Aros/Amithlon forever... blahhh

[THEONE]

ITs liek thsi and thes are the facts plain and simple.
Hardly anybody is goging to buy the a1 or 0s4.0
Alot more are goign to buy the Pegasos system ,but not enough to make a yelp in the world of computing. Nobody will notice either .
They will notice Itanium and Amd fighting it out and that is it. :-D  :-x

yeppers

[THEONE]

@The_Editor


All that I have to say is this guy is a totally ass maybe just maybe I will...nah he isnt worth it.
Hey I have an Idea smart ASS
Ill meet You midway and we will see who has the brains
will have some guys as neutral parties standby and watch.(judge). Im ready to go now.  Humm main or virginia would be about halfway for me.  This isnt about killing you becsause I dont say I do ,second im not that type of person unless provoked.

Nope i have been to alot of linux forums and they agree with me unlike agreeing with you. Rember I belive in the Itnaium and redhat for  Itanium and you dont know about either. So where in the hell do you get that idea, oh yeah your using using #### for brains you idiot . so wanna meet and put your money where your mouth is.

[mahen]

The only thing I hope is that people will
get the *best* product (or the only one available
if the other one is not to be ready before a long
time).

But considering what's happening on ann.lu, etc.
most people just want AmigaOS4, the official
one, and some don't even want to consider the
other one, if both were available.

Althought what matters is THE PRODUCT ITSELF !

MorphOS (I'm better tester) is absolutely usable
now, but still need some work to hunt the remaining
bugs, add some features... But it's usable now,
so why not consider getting it, and then get aos4
for pegasos when it's ready ?

An important point is that the pegasos is designed,
made, etc, by the amiga community, whereas the
amigaone is made by a company which has nothing
to do with the amiga...

Anyway, I will get both OS'es if I can run both
of them on my pegasos b/c all programmers, I'm
sure, have done a ####ing good job, and all
deserve to be rewarded....

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING : COOPERATION !
Make as many things as possible available to
both os'es : we are ONE community, ONE market;
there are two similar OS'es. If one is crap,
drop it. If both are great, don't destroy it
b/c of camps...

The pb is when AOS and MOS will get different
directions (that is to say, when AOS
- hum... - merges with the DE (not likely before
a long time, maybe never as hyperion has nothing
to do with the DE), and when MOS moves out side
of its ABOX.

(morphos still crashes with buggy applications b/c
there is no memory protection inside the ABOX;
and at this time, there's not much outside the ABOX,
but it'll change. AOS 4 is supposed to integrate
a sort of memory protection which is much more
complicated and maybe will break compatibility
b/c AOS wasn't designed to have some...... But it
should instantly prevent programs from crashing...

OK, I'm done