AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?

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The Pegasos by far has the best features of the two.  And it's expandable now, not a disposable like the SE.
I hope OS 4 will be made available for the Pegasos.

MorphOS is not open source. It is closed source and commercial. I would rather have a semi-open source commercial OS (like Apple's current strategy) but oh well.

Honestly I would run OSX if I had a decent Mac... screw running some weird OS on good hardware...
OSX is by far superior to AOS/MOS or even Linux....

Why anyone with a G4 mac would wanna dump OSX in favor of AOS/MOS I dont know.

[strobe]

Answer: to run your Amiga software faster |-)

It wouldn't take that long to reboot anyhow.

Mac OS X is a nice OS (provided you only use Carbon apps, I hate Cocoa apps still) but it also has some quirks. Apple still isn't getting the most out of the hardware. There are ABI issues, and the kernel could still be more responsive (consider that some drivers are still running in kernel space when they ought to be running in user space, this is due to the kernel not passing messages and moving memory fast enough).

Mac OS X actually runs rather well on a 250mhz 604e provided you have gobs of RAM. :-p

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mips_proc wrote:

MorphOS is not open source. It is closed source and commercial. I would rather have a semi-open source commercial OS (like Apple's current strategy) but oh well.

Honestly I would run OSX if I had a decent Mac... screw running some weird OS on good hardware...
OSX is by far superior to AOS/MOS or even Linux....

Why anyone with a G4 mac would wanna dump OSX in favor of AOS/MOS I dont know.

I'm running a dual 867 with 2Gb and OS X Jaguar and wouldn't trade it or Apple's Developer Tools for anything out there.  I've always been a fan of NeXT and OpenStep and simply enjoy programming for that environment, so it was easy for me to move to Cocoa.  In my opinion it's the best thing out there.  My only interest in OS4 and AmigaOne would be to fool around with programming.  I never really tried to on the classic platform and so I want to give the new system and software a try.
I think that Amiga, Inc can learn from Apple by bundling free development tools with the OS so kickstart, pardon the pun, the developer interest in the platform.  Pro and hobbyists alike.

[strobe]

I don't mind developing with Cocoa. I love Objective-C. However I do not like the behavior of Cocoa apps. Furthermore a lot of former NeXT-heads don't seem to have a clue when it comes to human interface design. I think one mistake NeXT made was thinking that high-level API abstraction meant it isn't necessary to have human interface guidelines which obviously isn't the case.

Not that this has anything to do with Amiga.

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strobe wrote:
I don't mind developing with Cocoa. I love Objective-C. However I do not like the behavior of Cocoa apps. Furthermore a lot of former NeXT-heads don't seem to have a clue when it comes to human interface design. I think one mistake NeXT made was thinking that high-level API abstraction meant it isn't necessary to have human interface guidelines which obviously isn't the case.

Not that this has anything to do with Amiga.

I agree 100%.   I still believe the best strategy would have been to develop OS 4 for multiplatform use to expose it to a larger testbed and finally far more potential users.

[Rodney]

mips_proc wrote:
strobe you dont get it...Amiga I have found isnt about wether or not something excists, how long it will take to excist, if its any good or not, if it's hardware sucks, if its general policy stinks, or wether or not you even like the end result of it.

Amiga is about one thing... the 'NAME" Amiga...it isnt about.

Quality
Stability
Applications
Product Support
Service
Logic
Wisdom

or anything else even slightly related to it... Amiga zealots even the ones zealot for the OS have gone into 'Name' lovers these days...Thats why I'm getting Pegasos/MOS .

Well for me, thats a part of it, cause i havnt used an Amiga in 4-5 years. I dont have my A1200 anymore.

But the biggest thing that has me buying Amiga before MorphOS is the DE. I see where Amgia Inc are going with this, as anyone could with half a brain. Not that im saying you dont.

Im waiting for a Universal OS. Thatis, an OS that will run on any hardware with very little effort from the developers. IF AmigaOS can make it to OS5, we wi'll have this.

Ill be waiting a long time, but the possibilies are endless. I think Amiga Inc can do this. They have the vission beyond OS4, they have made it well known, and thats why i want AmigaOS.

[Rodney]

mips_proc wrote:

last word from Ben Hermans was that the 68k emulator was being integrated, and that this would take a few weeks. Without this integrated, they can't run OS4 on PPC hardware

What your saying then is that OS4 is entirely 68K then?... if it where 'all'  68K (workbench and all) then you might as well run Amithlon because the big E world is what the entire OS would be then...
I had thought OS4 like MorphOS was going to be a native PPC OS (useing this native EXEC kernel in AOS's case) and that a 68K emulation layer of sorts was going to be implimented to allow old apps to run.

If i had known that they NEEDED this 68K Layer to even boot the OS i'd of thought less of it from the beginning even.
But thats pretty pathetic if it is true.
I agree though... whats FUD about AOS4...
It dosent excist yet and A1 dosent run it...so I dont think there is anything we can really say about it except that it's going to have some catching up to do if it takes them a whole year more to get it on PPC and shipped to the users.

You constantly comparing OS4 to MorphOS. In terms of development, the MorphOS team have had a lot longer than the AmigaOS team. Hyperion have dont a great job, in many places re-writing the kernel and other parts of the system because of all the ASM in places.

These guys deserve only credit.

Why cant you all stop your constant whining, and stop trying to think you've all got a better system than the others. One is AmigaOS, the other is an AmigaOS clone. Bets are, they'll both run like AmigaOS too.

[takemehomegrandma]

lets all start a new thread "Playstation 3 Vs Xbox"

I get your smiley, but I just want to make a point based on that (the game console thing). When it comes to game consoles (primarly PSX2 vs X-box) there has been a great deal of focus on technical specifications. In some specifications the PSX2 has won, in others (most?) the X-box has won. But which gamer jerks off to tech specs? I made a post here some days ago (Is there a future for Amiga computers?) that dealt with 'core product'. That is - why are the customer's really buying this product?

Well, when speaking of game consoles, how about talking about games instead of tech spec's?

I like playing games from time to time. I always have. I have a PSX2, and by the time I bought it, the x-box was not released yet, but I knew about it. But what made up my decision about getting a PSX2 was the following:

The latest versions of: Grand Turismo, SSX, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, and Metal Gear Solid.

The above were the *only* reasons to my purchase of the PSX2. Well, add Collin McRae (spelling?) Rally to that list. I don't know if the above titles are available for x-box today (I believe that Sony owns the right to at least some of them), but they weren't at the time when I bought my Playstation2.

The point: Useability. If I want to use something that is only available on a certain platform, it doesn't matter if that platform has slighter lower technical specs than the competing solutions that might have higher specs but lacks those important key features.

GGS wrote:
Well, lot of discussions here... :-)

As for showing AmigaOne running, this site from the Gothenburg event offer quite many picturs, and some smaller videos;

http://www.amigbg.com

Enjoy :-)

Have had a look at those pics... strange I still had
to see them... maybe just missed them.

Anway found some photo galleries, one pointing
to this link:
http://nbache.frip.dk/AOneGBG-2002/

On that page Slide 18 caption says:
"18: Ole-Egil demonstrating his machine."

Ole-Egil: are you the one with the black shirt,
red beard/shaved head??

Anyway am glad to meet one of the most
interesting writers here! Keep up the good
work you are doing on the AmigaOne.

wonea wrote:
AmigaONE or Pegasos?  Which one?  I'm tempted by the AmigaONE motherboard, but the Pegasos looks so good!  Are Amiga Inc delaying the OS to write drivers?

For me it will be AmigaOne, hopefully XE if it won't
take too long to come out...

Just I don't understand how somebody can claim
that AmigaOne is surpassed hardware while
Pegasos is innovative/futurible hardware: it's
obviuos they are almost identical, and anyway
in the same class of hardware.
Yes the Pegasos
has the firewire support, but it doesn't make
it innovative at all! Just have a look at a PC magazine
and read any pc board review and you will realize
yourself... not to mention that serialATA and other
interesting new things are coming soon...

So please, on both fields, just don't say "my board
is better then yours"... that's plain not true!
And btw nobody force you to buy the other if you
don't want to... just buy what you want and let
the others decide for themselves.

Bye
Francesco :-)

just don't say "my board is better then yours"

I've decided not to get either the A1 or Pegasos because they both suck... Pegasos is definitly the better of the two...maybe because it has a CPU slot..maybe because it has firewire...but certinly because it has a workingt OS.... AOS4 dosent excist yet.

I will say my board is better then yours because I'm running a PC Motherboard

mips_proc wrote:

just don't say "my board is better then yours"

I've decided not to get either the A1 or Pegasos because they both suck... Pegasos is definitly the better of the two...maybe because it has a CPU slot..maybe because it has firewire..

 
AmigaOne XE has the CPU card as well...

but certinly because it has a workingt OS.... AOS4 dosent excist yet.

Still have to see Pegasos with non-beta version
of MorphOS on sale... but could be wrong and
anyway am not interested in MorphOS...

I will say my board is better then yours because I'm running a PC Motherboard

Me too  :-P and by the way it works ok with Amithlon..
but a native system is what am waiting for, even
if I still have a "native" system, my A2000-040
since 1987.

Bye
Francesco

>Amiga Inc. isn't delaying anything, they're just way, way behind.

Somebody is in for a surprise... ;-)

amigammc wrote:
>Amiga Inc. isn't delaying anything, they're just way, way behind.

Somebody is in for a surprise... ;-)

Am getting curious... and would be really happy
to have a good surprise this time :-?

[Seehund]

amigammc wrote:
>Amiga Inc. isn't delaying anything, they're just way, way behind.

Somebody is in for a surprise... ;-)

I can't say I care all that much about whether AInc is behind or ahead with anything they're doing. I'm not interested in any of their products (AACE and the games they're distributing for it).

The status of Hyperion's and bplan's work is what I suppose most of us here are interested in. It's about damn time for a first release, and it would not be surprising if it happened, or at least a demo, at WoASE.