AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?

[vortexau]

Well, at least I know what the OUTSIDE of my A1-to-be looks like:






Its BLACK! :hammer:
 

[THEONE]

that is where it was started and why it was started in and for windows shells. thats it in a nutshell

[THEONE]

lets

vortexau wrote:
Well, at least I know what the OUTSIDE of my A1-to-be looks like:






Its BLACK! :hammer:
 

lets see thats a pc case nothign special about that case in fact i can seel it to you fro 50 us dollars.  As for tthe other forum, Why doesnt A1 have custom chispets becasue 1 they are stupid second its a pc clone and a poor one at that.

[odin]

@theone (nice mag that ;-)).

Either English is not your first language OR you haven't finished any language course in your life. Or you just can't type. Nor put anything sensible on a computer screen.

[Minion]

THEONE wrote:

me the hot head you said things which you know nothing of and cant prove anything of and I just called your bluff.I knew i would get a cop out . You with the name calling, and me I shouldnt defend myself against  that. Get a life . I did it quite well I might add and your just fumming mad like a little child that you are.

Get a life go back to the   petemoss not peter moss stupid-  to clarify it the BOGS. dam and you live in the uk you are stupid.

HERE ENDTH THE LESSON

As I stated in the PPC 970 thread you are thick as two short planks and you have proven it again on this thread.
You accuse The_editor (who certainly appears to know a lot more about anything than you) of being a fuming little child, yet the incoherent drivel that you come out with isn't even spelt properly and just accuse him of what he said about you.  Just like a child in an argument.
Remember it wasYOU that had that dumb little outburst offering him out in some state in America thinking it was halfway between your house and his?  Do you know where England is, you thick little twat?
 :-? I believe this smiley was made especially for you to use after every comment you make.

[ksk]

@strobe
Where did you get this:
"It sounds like MorphOS has yet to implement a means of communication across the A-Box border. After all, why else would their user space apps run in A-Box?"

So they run (almost) everything on the emulator (with new API extensions) box??? I thought MorphOS apps are running on the Q-Box? What the *ell is going on? Is Ambient also just a GUI of the A-Box emulator... How can the memoryprotection work at all???
(all things that I thought I misunderstood from MorphOS support pages are true after all  ....) AAAARGH! MOS sucks!  It's not an OS on it's own, it's just damn imitator.

[strobe]

@ksk

Calm down, geez.

I probably got things mixed up. Probably what happened is the graphical environment was running outside a-box and crashing due to some bugs, then when the environment crashed it took the other apps with it. Similar to any display server when it crashes.

I don't have any insider information. I'm still looking forward to a proper unbiased review of the technology.

[vortexau]

THEONE spewed out:

lets see thats a pc case nothign special about that case in fact i can seel it to you fro 50 us dollars.

I really would prefer that you NOT "seel it" to me for whatever amount of US dollars..... the US-to-AUS exchange rate is, at the present, not too friendly!

and THAT picture doesn't say everything .... the systems to be delivered are to have Ami logos.

and WHAT is wrong with its being "a pc case"? Those cases are unlikely to be certified by Micro4oft (cursed be their name) as to being capable of ejecting, or otherwise damaging, non-x86 mobos that have been mounted inside. Many owners of towered A1200s could verify that!

and:

Why doesnt A1 have custom chispets becasue 1 they are stupid second its a pc clone and a poor one at that.

° As to why "doesnt A1 have custom chispets", well they likely wouldn't want chispets(sic), crisps, or even fries custom-or-otherwise in their machines. (Too greasy)
In addition, I would not call it a "pc clone" because it doesn't use any x86 style of cpu, and there never was any intention of doing so!

[Korodny]

@ksk:

So they run (almost) everything on the emulator (with new API extensions) box???

Yes, everything is running inside the A-Box. It's not an "emulator" though, but a PPC-native re-implementation of AmigaOS with integrated 68k emulation for binary compatability with existing AmigaOS 3.x applications.

I thought MorphOS apps are running on the Q-Box?

The only thing that runs on the Q-Box is the A-Box. Nothing else is running on the Q-Box yet.

It is planned (at least it was planned) to do a completely new OS based on the Q-Box (and have the A-Box for backwards compatability). But that's just vaporware at the moment, and they'll be busy with other stuff for quite a while.

What the *ell is going on?

Marketing.

Is Ambient also just a GUI of the A-Box emulator...

Ambient is a Workbench clone, running on MorphOS' A-Box.

Again: A-Box shouldn't be called an emulator. In fact, it's practically a complete OS, just that it runs on top of another OS (the Q-Box). This is a very simplified dexcription, but it should illustrate the implementation.

How can the memoryprotection work at all???

Inside the A-Box there is no memory protection at all, no ressource tracking or other fancy stuff. The kernel that "manages" the A-Box is still good old Exec.library with a few bugfixes.

The Q-Box features memory protection, but that's not useful for anything running in the A-Box (i.e. everything running under MOS at the moment).

(all things that I thought I misunderstood from MorphOS support pages are true after all ....) AAAARGH! MOS sucks! It's not an OS on it's own, it's just damn imitator.

How are you able to judge if MOS sucks if you don't know the actual implementation?

I hope MorphOS's PPC implimentation isnt as primitive as AOS4's ...this whole 'lets run it all on an emulator' sounds a bit like Amithlon slapped onto PPC.

[Kay]

> I hope MorphOS's PPC implimentation isnt as primitive as AOS4's ...this whole 'lets run it all on
> an emulator' sounds a bit like Amithlon slapped onto PPC.

Oh, come on, that's not fair. To my understanding, a lot of it is PPC native by now, and certainly all the time critical parts. As far as I understood, the plan was to get everything over to PPC later on. Personally, I'd rather they leave some non-critical components in 68k and get it released ASAP, than make everything PPC native and release it 6 months later. Or even a week later. :-)

Kay

[strobe]

A-Box sounds like a virtual machine, like Classic.

I was under the impression that MorphOS libraries could be accessed by A-Box apps and Q-Box apps where A-Box apps would all run in one memory space and Q-Box apps would run under separate protected spaces. Thus new applications witten for MorphOS would have memory protection.

Now I'm more confused than ever :-o

[Korodny]

@strobe:

A-Box sounds like a virtual machine, like Classic.

It is, but with one difference: It can not only run "classic" (68k + AmigaOS 3.x) software, but also PPC native software.

I was under the impression that MorphOS libraries could be accessed by A-Box apps and Q-Box apps where A-Box apps would all run in one memory space and Q-Box apps would run under separate protected spaces.

That's correct. But there are no "MorphOS libraries" yet, there are no Q-Box apps yet.

Thus new applications witten for MorphOS would have memory protection.

"New applications for Morphos" are just standard Amiga applications for now. You could compile a 68k version and run it in the A-Box (aswell as on a "real" Amiga). For speed reasons, you obviously compile it for PPC instead. But you *still* run it in the A-Box.

[strobe]

It is, but with one difference: It can not only run "classic" (68k + AmigaOS 3.x) software, but also PPC native software.

Uh, Classic also runs 68k and PowerPC apps.

That's correct. But there are no "MorphOS libraries" yet, there are no Q-Box apps yet

I was under the impression that they were "MorphOS libraries" and the older apps used an ABI glue to use them, or at the very least there was a full complement of similar API libraries on both environments. Do the A-Box libraries have some kind of ABI which doesn't allow them to run in a protected environment?

[Marky_D_Sahd]

A-One, please.  Soon.  

[THEONE]

vortexau wrote:
THEONE spewed out:

lets see thats a pc case nothign special about that case in fact i can seel it to you fro 50 us dollars.

I really would prefer that you NOT "seel it" to me for whatever amount of US dollars..... the US-to-AUS exchange rate is, at the present, not too friendly!

and THAT picture doesn't say everything .... the systems to be delivered are to have Ami logos.

and WHAT is wrong with its being "a pc case"? Those cases are unlikely to be certified by Micro4oft (cursed be their name) as to being capable of ejecting, or otherwise damaging, non-x86 mobos that have been mounted inside. Many owners of towered A1200s could verify that!

and:

Why doesnt A1 have custom chispets becasue 1 they are stupid second its a pc clone and a poor one at that.

° As to why "doesnt A1 have custom chispets", well they likely wouldn't want chispets(sic), crisps, or even fries custom-or-otherwise in their machines. (Too greasy)
In addition, I would not call it a "pc clone" because it doesn't use any x86 style of cpu, and there never was any intention of doing so!

ok ture on the aussie dollar rate. but fro 25cents more put that icon on it. second of all amiga is mickshit.its on bed with mickysoft. Fleccy even admitted to it. they got money from microsoft to survive. so no matter how you look at it hyperion Eytech and enything amig arelated is mickeyshit and isnt worth crap. Plus add to the fact mickysoft has a controling intrest in amiga . not to maek money but to maek sure maiga goes down for good. facts plain and simple. this is exactly how they bpught out others.


it  is a pc motherbaord,( northbridge and southbridge archtiecture). that type of architectur invented by motorola in 1945  belive it or not. The Amiga chipsets are advanced to this day . That design Intel is goign to but improrved upon, better chips.,same theology-topology.-Hombre clone.