If Genesi owned the rights to Amiga IP

[z5]

@EntilZha

Yeah, did that, and have been accused of faking them.

Whatever you do, you will always be accused of something by someone... That is the amiga community. This is nothing you should care about.

However, while i appreciate that Hyperion is a small company with limited resources, isn't there anything possible to keep us positive while waiting? I've believed in the project all along but IT is difficult sometimes to stay positive when no info is released and the small info that is released, seems to be for those who have paid for it (for which i don't blame Hyperion).

I'll ask in a different way. Do you, as a company, find it important what people think about your product. Isn't there some small things you could do to create a bit of prerelease 'hype' (big word here ;-) ). Some claim that OS4 is far away, some say it is very close. So it is kind of hard to know exactly what is going on. Wouldn't somebody expect some activity starting to appear concerning marketing IF it is close away?

[z5]

@Hooligan:

Are you sure they are all MorphOS "fans" (if somebody wants to call them so

Oh yes, i'm sure. And that really is the part that i never understood about MorphOs / Pegasos users. You should all be the happiest people because you have the platform you wanted in your hands, you can use it, there should be a lot of activity going on in forums, there is always the pleasure of new and better MorphOs versions (1.3 allready), new programs coming out, the Pegasos 2 coming...

So why bother about AmigaInc, OS4 or anything like that? Why spend so much negative energy towards nothing that should interest you anymore (speaking in terms of users that aren't interested in OS4).

THAT is the thing that always puzzled me... For Genesi, it's obvious why, because they want the Amiga name, but for the users...

@Rogue

"Multitude"??

I meant Apple Clones, Motorola Machines, BeBoxes, RS/6000's things like that.

@EntilZha

You assume that Genesi would do it differently. But that's not the case, because MOS is also only available for the Pegasos and the old machines. That's why your comment, IMHO, was just AInc bashing.

Correct, it was AInc bashing, but in no way was it Hyperion bashing.  I have nothing but respect for you guys and want to see you succeed, but IMHO (and others too) AInc are holding you back.

Apple users are far too concerned about Apple to care for AmigaOS.

Many Amigans would buy an Apple just to run AOS4 on it, including myself.  I'drather own a nice Powerbook than an A1.

One possibility might be to turn everything over to the AROS folks

 :-D  That would be nice!

Would that be possible though, wouldn't stuff like the TripOS code have to be removed etc... Or has it already?

[magnetic]

Thanks for your response Thomas and Thanks Hyperion for voicing their opinion here (and to BBRV)
 As far as being accused of releasing "fake" screenshots do you really care what a small minority thought? The problem is that NOONE outside of the developers and beta testers of OS4 has seen the whole thing working..

 My question to you Hyperion is DO YOU HAVE OS 4 NOW RUNNING ON CYBERSTORM? Is it fully integrated? Estimate how long before public release please. Screenshots would help - whether people say they are "fake" or not. There is people who think that LANDING ON THE MOON WAS FAKE did that stop NASA from their releasing public data? Please guys, we need an update from you. A small page on the "Club Amiga" magazine from Ben is not a good sign of a close release of OS4.
  There are many AMigans out there that have been burnt by Amiga companies left and right ,yet they still believe. I have friends who purchased Amiga 1 xe boards for $800 WITHOUT THE OS even working on the boards. Thats blind faith. Now, with all the exposure of Ainc's real situation things look really bleak for them. I recommended to them not to buy the A1 until the software is ready. I have a Cyberstorm 4000T i'm keeping becuase I want to run OS4 on it. I now have a Pegasos and I have to tell you guys its fantastic!
 Hyperion, please you guys are good people and hard workers. The AMiga community has alot of faith and respect for you. WE need REAL ANSWERS AS TO THE STATUS OF OS4.
Thank you.
realize

[catohagen]

then I wouldnt buy an "amiga" :-D

I want OS4 either its nameless or called HYPEos4

With the amount of details being handled and
layed into OS4, its going to run circles around
every existing os out there

And i like the comment by one of the Friedens,
a direct meteor hit is the only thing stopping
it..:-D :-D

[catohagen]

>My question to you Hyperion is DO YOU HAVE OS 4 >NOW RUNNING ON CYBERSTORM?

yes, its been mentioned a few times in threads
but no announcement have been made yet..(i think?)

Maybe Hyperion should release a video of it booting, and just give a #### if people think its
fake or not, it shouldnt be that much work,
a video of a few secs should be easy to produce..

[Jupp3]

If that happened, I might not feel so shamed anymore calling my A1200 "Amiga" :-)

[Hooligan_DCS]

@Z5
>Oh yes, i'm sure. And that really is the part that i never understood about MorphOs / Pegasos users. You should all be the happiest people because you have the platform you wanted in your hands, you can use it, there should be a lot of activity going on in forums, there is always the pleasure of new and better MorphOs versions (1.3 allready), new programs coming out, the Pegasos 2 coming...
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I am happy, but I want to be happier. My "work" as beta tester has just begun and I want MOS to be my kind of OS. If I can help to make it true or even help it towards this, by reporting bugs, suggesting features or code something, I will do it. Will do the same thing for OS4, allthough I doubt my word is not going to be very seriously taken by Hyperion :-)
But for a long time I can say I am actually having fun with the computer. It's not just a tool anymore. Reminds me of days when I got my first A500 and used it a long time, then a 21mb harddrive, supraturbo, action replay and so on.
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>So why bother about AmigaInc, OS4 or anything like that? Why spend so much negative energy towards nothing that should interest you anymore (speaking in terms of users that aren't interested in OS4).
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1) I am part of Amiga community, like it or not.
2) Forums would be very boring if everybody would just think the same about everything
3) I like to argue ;-)  

And I doubt there is a person NOT interested in OS4. Hands up :-)

[Warface]

With the amount of details being handled and
layed into OS4, its going to run circles around
every existing os out there

Nothing personal, but I always loved the ppl like you "to know it for sure " and take it as "given" and "granted", despite you haven't even seen it or know about it, and consider it's competing OS half baked and unusable, even when most of you haven't seen it. As for me I'd like to see OS4 first before making any judgements.

Pegasos: They didn't want it last time we asked.

So what if Genesi don't want it?  Don't you want to sell more copies?  I'm sure Genesi wouldn't mind more board sales either.

[z5]

@hooligan:

1) I am part of Amiga community, like it or not.

Actually, i wasn't referring to you at all. ;-)

2) Forums would be very boring if everybody would just think the same about everything

Agreed, but i don't find them that interesting at the moment either.

And I doubt there is a person NOT interested in OS4

That certainly is not the impression i get from a lot of MorphOs users.

Anyway, i'm kind of in between. I really do believe in OS4 but maybe i will buy MorphOs / Pegasos when it is in a more finished state.

I wonder if the two platforms can live together...

[catohagen]

frustrating isnt it ? :-D

[falemagn]

bbrv wrote:
If Genesi owned the classis AmigaOS IP?

One possibility might be to turn everything over to the AROS folks (they have stayed motivated and working independently for years!) or another, just release everything to OpenSource.  :-o

To be honest, and I'm sure I speak for every member of the AROS Team,  we'd not want those sources. We've accomplished pretty much anything that we had to do. Perhaps the sources would have been useful 4 years ago, now they are not anymore. Besides, I'd not like my "mind" to be tainted by the original sources: AROS was meant to be a reimplementation, not a copy.