If Genesi owned the rights to Amiga IP

[SlimJim]

So best solution seems to me that the *new* management cuts the IP to AmigaOS 4 loose and let Hyperion use the name Amiga International to market OS 4. ( if anything is true from the last couple of days)

 
I wonder if Hyperion would really apperciate to take on the
entire marketing / distribition and most importantlly,
indefinate development of AOS4 if it came to be. Skilled
as they might be, it's not their focus as a company in the
long term, as I understand it. They are game programmers
at heart (at least having heard comments from the
Friedens) and having the continued, sole responsibility for
the future of AmigaOS would be quite a change in business
profile for Hyperion as a company. I'm not saying they
couldn't do it, only that it's probably not the development
they'd prefer (my guess).
.
SlimJim

Compaq and Microsoft aren't in the same market and aren't competitors. Genesi and Amiga are.

Genesi's competition in the hardware market is Eyetech/MAI
Genesi's competition in OS market is Hyperion

In exactly what market do AInc compete against Genesi?
AInc sell PDA games written by other companies, and that is all they do.

[Turrican]

All i'm saying is that if OS4 is that important to Bill Buck/the MorphOS users - why not buy the bloody licence and put an end to it?

Look, from what I understand, OS4 is not important to Bill Buck, or Genesi or the MorphOS users at all. The "Amiga" brand name is the one in importance here.

Genesi, already has the technology available to them (hardware + nexgen native ppc os + amiga combatibility).

They would only want AmigaOS 4 so they could legaly stick a nice "Amiga" sticker infront of their product so  the xyz ex-amigan who does not know what a Pegasos is, to recognise it as one! And there are milions of ex-amigans out there.

Now if Genesi play their game right (and they do so far) they won't need to pay AInc for that (and accept their terms). They use us (the community) to pass the word out, the Amiga shows globaly, the forums, whatever...

I have no doubt they will succeed their goals.
In the end the best product will prevail (like the original Amiga did) and not the name/brand. It might be harder at the start though.

[amimonkey]

mdma wrote:

Genesi's competition in the hardware market is Eyetech/MAI
Genesi's competition in OS market is Hyperion

In exactly what market do AInc compete against Genesi?
AInc sell PDA games written by other companies, and that is all they do.

Well, whatever. But the simple question was "Why not buy a licence?". Whether Genesi believe they should have to buy a licence or not doesn't come into it. If they want OS4 to run on a Pegasos, then they have to buy a licence.

AmiMonkey

[PulsatingQuasar]

@SlimJim

That indeed might be for the main programmers of Hyperion  themselves but there are 30 people working on it!

I was just thinking outloud.

I also read that the Friedens at some point want to start programming an own game instead of porting.

I do know that the game porting of them is going to get AmigaOS 4 a great new API.

[catohagen]

>They use us (the community) to pass the word >out, the Amiga shows globaly, the forums, >whatever...

if thats the case, I guess the exposure he gains
is pretty small....i've been watching both here
and amigaworld.net quite frequently, users actually browsing the sites are rarely over 50 users.. Where the hell is the rest of this
community ?

>The "Amiga" brand name is the one in importance >here.

With the latest activity around here, I've figured that out myself too Im sure Pegasos sales would have been 3x higher if "The Name" would follow the Pegasos/Morphos package.

We clearly see "The Name" in action with the sucsess the AmigaOne have in Europe at this time,
Eyetech can't ship many enough and fast enough it seems.

Some days ago I've been talked with some developers of a musicprogram(tracker++) for pc and mac,
one of the developers is getting an A1 when OS4 is out and a os4 port wasnt a longshot either
all because of "The Name".

so yes, I would say whoever have "The Name" stays in business.

[IonDeluxe]

Its a pretty valid question.
Genesi says it want to support and help the Amiga and it's community.The community is currently split between Gensi products and Amiga Inc\hyperion\eyetech products.
Division in the Amiga comunity at this point is detrimental to the future of the Amiga.
Genesi has the ability to get its Morphos machine lisenced as an "official amiga"This would help greatly in removing this divide and hence help ensure the future of the amiga.It would also give us the users bigger and better choice in which way we wanted to go.

So Genesi states it wants to help and support Amiga and its comunity, and getting thier machine liscened would help achieve that, then why don't they do it?

They could still provide thier morphos only machine, and give the users us the best of both worlds by having a machine that will run os4 and morphos from Genesi.

The question remains.

[PulsatingQuasar]

Where the hell is the rest of this community.

Aaaaahh.....that's simple!

A) They don't get involved....only read and wait for official news;

B) They don't come here nor at AmigaWorld nor on ANN. They don't go to forums. This is the major amount of (potential)users of the new AmigaOne and OS 4.

I recently met a guy who stays in touch with what happens with Amiga via the German Amiga plus magazine. He doesn't know any of this is going on and depending on the outcome, he maybe never will.

[Kronos]

Do you REALLY think Genesi could just get an licence from Bill&fleecy ?

/me writes out invitations to reality  ;-)

And even if, do you really think that Genesi would want to comply
with the other requirements, like opening their books to AInc ?

Sofar Genesi has done ALL that could be reasonably demanded
for a port of OS4:

The HW is there.
Lot's of OSes run on it, and some of them even open-source.

They use a well-documented standard for the FirmWare.

They use well known and documented (atleast for Hyperion) chips
on there HW.

The missing bits could be looked up in the kernels of said
open-source OSes.


If Hyperion/AInc think that they can't/don't want to port OS4
to the HW, than thats their choice, and they are the ones to blame
for it. If they think that it wouldn't bring in enough cash for
them to justify the efford, or if they think they need to
"protect" another HW-vendor, than it is again their descision.

[Alkemyst]

by catohagen on 2003/5/3 20:50:48

>They use us (the community) to pass the word >out, the Amiga shows globaly, the forums, >whatever...

if thats the case, I guess the exposure he gains
is pretty small....i've been watching both here
and amigaworld.net quite frequently, users actually browsing the sites are rarely over 50 users.. Where the hell is the rest of this
community ?

>The "Amiga" brand name is the one in importance >here.

With the latest activity around here, I've figured that out myself too Im sure Pegasos sales would have been 3x higher if "The Name" would follow the Pegasos/Morphos package.

We clearly see "The Name" in action with the sucsess the AmigaOne have in Europe at this time,
Eyetech can't ship many enough and fast enough it seems.

Some days ago I've been talked with some developers of a musicprogram(tracker++) for pc and mac,
one of the developers is getting an A1 when OS4 is out and a os4 port wasnt a longshot either
all because of "The Name".

so yes, I would say whoever have "The Name" stays in business.

I remember when pegasos/mos users were saying that brand name does not matter.

Its clear now that it does matter as it always did.

[amimonkey]

@Kronos
You seem to know the conditions of the OS4 licensing. Can you give a general overview here so I can understand why Genesi wouldn't want to obtain a licence?! Thanks.

AmiMonkey

[Kronos]

@amimonkey

I only know those parts that appeared in one of those famous
executive-updates posted on Amiga.com. And the one about the
licence (most have been April 02) did indeed state that
insight into company-papers had to be given to AInc.

Thats enough to shy away everyone except those who allready
were "in bed" with AInc.

[Kronos]

double holds longer  ;-)

[JoannaK]

SlimJim wrote:

So best solution seems to me that the *new* management cuts the IP to AmigaOS 4 loose and let Hyperion use the name Amiga International to market OS 4. ( if anything is true from the last couple of days)

 
I wonder if Hyperion would really apperciate to take on the
entire marketing / distribition and most importantlly,
indefinate development of AOS4 if it came to be. .....

 I'm not saying they couldn't do it, only that it's probably not the development they'd prefer (my guess).
.
SlimJim

Agree on both (they can do AmigaOS and it's not likely their main target in long run).

Unfortunately, unless Hyperion finds some other willing company to take care of AmigaOS future, they are now stuck to it cause it has become highly likely that current Amiga Inc can't make ends meet and get things running in a way new OS requires.

So, either Hyperion  keeps developing  Amiga OS onward or it once again gets abandoned. And quite frankly I do belive they will have a lot to do even after first version of OS4 has been released to CSPPC, Aone and others (BPPC and perhaps Shark?). There will be a lot work on fixes, upgrades, drivers for new hardware etc..

[Madgun68]

I remember when pegasos/mos users were saying that brand name does not matter.

Its clear now that it does matter as it always did.

"Ahh...the Amiga. Such fond memories I have for that trademark. That sunken logo on the Amiga 500 casework. The metal nameplate on the Amiga 2000. The precision font craftsmanship on the manual. Never has there been a finer name in print"

[AmiGR]

I personally, didn't and will not, ever, attack Hyperion.
I did attack Amiga Inc MANY times and I will continue
till the truth is totally out.