AMIGAONE.... isn't it an obsolete technology already?

[dylansmrjo]

Buyers of OS4 prereleases can get updates without paying more.

And I'm used to use alpha, beta and pre-releases.

Besides that, a final version of package X doesn't mean it's better than a beta version of package Y.

Any coder knows this.

If (!softwareExist) {
    doWriteIt();
} else if (softwareExist) {
    doRejoice()
}

It's that simple...

[Oliver]

Speaking of releasing unfinished work, can anyone remember M$ ever publishing a version of Windows without major flaws? Most of my favourite software is in some form of development phase (I also rely on open source projects for much of my productivity - praise be to the coding community).

I think anyone who uses Amiga will know the benefits of a fast and efficient operating system.  That said, I was not very tempted to buy the Amiga1 even when it was available.  If I had any dosposable income at all, I would definitely be interested though.  As it stands, buying only one main computer, I didn't consider it an option for a readily accessible, reliable, compatible, and productive platform.

-Oli

[minator]

Dr_Righteous wrote:

You think the prices of AmigaOS4 boards are bad now?? Wait untill the real reprocussions of the death of ApplePPC hit. Far fewer PPC chips being used, far fewer being produced, supply will shrink, price will dramatically increase. It's inevitible.

I just hope we can get enough PPC boards, cheaply and quickly enough to beat this fate before OS4 completely dies.

Apple only use a few percent of PPCs made, production will fall slightly because of that but the fact that the console manufacturers are using PPC mean it's production will rise by a much larger amount.

Aside from that the fact IBM are opening up PPC means the market for PPC is growing these days.

Linux is also proving very helpful since it doesn't require legacy x86 binaries - e.g. the A1 micro was originally designed as a Linux machine.

[MskoDestny]

Waccoon wrote:
Why is nobody trying to go beyond UNIX?  Why are projects like EROS all collecting dust?

For an actively developed open source OS that strays from the Unix-ish fold try Syllable. It's further along in hardware support and useable internet applications. Takes a lot of inspiration from BeOS apparently.

[Wilse]

@CHR_ZD:

No OS4 isn't running at all.

In that case this post must be nothing more than a figment of your imagination.

:-)

[Tigger]

minator wrote:

Apple only use a few percent of PPCs made, production will fall slightly because of that but the fact that the console manufacturers are using PPC mean it's production will rise by a much larger amount.

First of all Apple is basically the only user of the G5, and it is by far the largest user of the G4.   Just because G4+G5 is only a small portion of the PPC market doesnt mean that the loss of Apple won't severly impact new desktop speed PPC parts.  As for the consoles, I doubt we are going to see any of the 3 as major CPUs in any computer.  People will hack the 3 consoles and put linux on them, but for the next 18 months at least, every part that IBM can make of these 3 types are going to Nintendo, Sony & Microsoft.
    -Bill
 

[Argus]

@Tigger

you forgot Eyetech

[redfox]

@CHR_ZD

I didn't notice this one first time through.

No OS4 isn't running at all.

:whack:

OS4 pre-release is working mighty fine here. :-D

---
redfox

[Karlos]

CHR_ZD wrote:

No OS4 isn't running at all.

Damn, it was all a total figment of my imagination! I could have sworn it booted on the BPPC/1200T here just the other day too :-o

[dylansmrjo]

No it didn't. And there is no website for Amiga OS 4.

And it doesn't have datatypes and it doesn't run fast on even old hardware (with fewer resources than embedded systems).

No it doesn't. Because, if it's not a final product officially then it's no product, says The Mighty Midget.

The Mighty Midget also says: "Releasing unfinished software is a crime, especially if you charge for it - unless you call it a final product. Then everything goes."

The Mighty Midget's Rule #3: "However, releasing really good software as unfinished software is really bad and deserves a strong punishment! It's better to release poor software as final product, than to release good software as a pre-release. Especially for the customer".

........

I don't believe in The Mighty Midget :-P

[Panthro]

what a crazy thread!!

I dont mind buying the updated  A1 when OS4 goes gold
or what ever but I am mighty glad to have OS4 to run
at all :-D so even if it's only updated bridge chips
or IDE etc. thats cool just give me an updated Amiga

and then start on AmigaTwo LOL

I'm glad for Aros, uae and Mos they are all great
products with full credit to the devs cheers :pint:
but I want an Amiga not a imitation.

I dont care about Amiga Inc. they can take thier
Anal Anywere sofware and well....erm ....yeah
but long live Hyperion and OS4 :pint:

[minator]

First of all Apple is basically the only user of the G5

Apart from Mercury-Momentum, Terrasoft, IBM (JS20s), I believe even Motorola sell them in blades.  Telcos probably find them useful.

and it is by far the largest user of the G4.

Actually Apple are not even the largest user of the G4.  If they were Apple would have been able to force Freescale into using a an updated FSB.

Just because G4+G5 is only a small portion of the PPC market doesnt mean that the loss of Apple won't severly impact new desktop speed PPC parts.

If the current trends had continued I'd agree but it's all changing now, AMD and Intel have effectively given up pushing clock frequency, IBM on the other hand looks like they will continue to push higher for sometime yet.

but for the next 18 months at least, every part that IBM can make of these 3 types are going to Nintendo, Sony & Microsoft.

Probably true for Microsoft and Nintendo but a similar core to the one they use (also the PPE in the Cell) will almost certainly appear from IBM as a separate PowerPC product.

The Cell on the other hand has never been a console only part, all 3 partners can make them and sell them to whoever they want.  You can already get them from IBM and it's looking like it'll turn up in a Mercury system before the PS3 ships.  Toshiba are also planning to ship their Cell reference system in April and put them in HDTVs later in the year.

[T_Bone]

billchase wrote:
I don't think Apple's decision will have as much effect on the
supply of PPC chips available (or its future) as many people
are making it out to be.  There are many devices that use
PPC as its core, (xbox360 just to name one mainstream device).
Apple was only one school of fish in the sea, there are still
plenty others.

C Snyder
 

Probably, but I think one thing that will happen is fewer advancements to the line of CPU's. Now that the maket is mostly embedded controllers, etc, I think most R&D will be for power and heat related performance issues rather than desktop performance. Not that's that a bad thing, but I think as time goes on, the PPC will become less and less suitable as the right tool for the job in desktops or general purpose CPU requiring applications, assuming this inertia doesn't change direction. (who knows maybe Microsoft decides PPC is the way to go and things would change again. :-P)

[Paul]

 -- You should add: No OS4 isn't running at all.  

This statement alone is adequate reason to consider you an ill-informed troll with no real interest in supporting the PPC community, regardless if it is blue, red or whatever other flavor.

Paul

[Tigger]

minator wrote:

First of all Apple is basically the only user of the G5

Mercury-Momentum = They have one shipping product (the development board), it appears two more on the way, do you honestly believe they are a major portion of the G5s sold?  

Terrasoft = They are software company, they are running on Macs and Mercury's, and IBMs, you don't get to count Mercury boards for Mercury, then count them again when Terrasoft sells them??  Also lets look at when they started selling Mercury's shall we: Sept 1, 2005, so that would be because Apple is getting out of the G5 market.  People are going for Apples rack mount leavings as they leave the market.

IBM (JS20s) = IBMs Blade that shipped much after the Xserve (due to its initial memory problems), never really caught on because it was more expensive then Apple, etc.  I mean the only reason Terra is going to sell them now is Apple is leaving the PPC market.  

Telcos probably find them useful. ----  G5 is a pretty expensive part for the that use, why exactly do you think that is true??

Apple bought over 2M G5's last, Mercury just came out with there product, IBM hasnt been able to ship enough G5's to its primary buyer Apple.  And of course you are still missing the point, which of these products use the fastest G5's (only apple), which of these use the dual core G5's (only apple).   If you honestly believe that use by Blades is going to drive PPC forward, you havent paid attention to the x86 market.

and it is by far the largest user of the G4.

Actually Apple are not even the largest user of the G4.  If they were Apple would have been able to force Freescale into using a an updated FSB.

I disagree, who exactly in your opinion bought more then 2 million G4s last year to take Apple out of #1 G4 buyer in your opinion??   My info says Apple is number 1, if you think I am wrong, you are going to have to come up with a name and some facts.  I mean your Freescale comment is funny, but not alot of reason with it, even you agree Apple bought the most G5's yet they couldnt get one good enough for a laptop could they??
    -Tig

[dylansmrjo]

Things happen.

I don't think Apples switch to x86 will make a major difference in the long term. Nor in the short term since it will take quite a while to finish the transition from PPC to x86.

The only problem IMO is the high price for the AmigaOne and the small production.

We need more A1s and a 67-75% cut on the price. The same goes for OS4.