AMIGAONE.... isn't it an obsolete technology already?

[redfox]

:roll:

I tend to agree with SamuraiCrow on this one.

When OS4 is released, there will be hardware.  Whether or not it resembles the AmigaOne or MicroA1 in any way or form remains to be seen.

Meanwhile, I enjoy using my MicroA1.

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redfox

[coldfish]

I can understand CHR_ZD's position.  

I wonder how many once-were Amiga users research the A1, get put off by price and specs, and dont bother to post their discontent on any Amiga forum? Plenty, I'm guessing.

The fact that a few do make the effort to sign on and comment (usually venting frustration with anger) just goes to show the choices for people wanting to come back to Amiga are lacking.

Its a pity, once they've got that impression they're not likely to come back.

[ppc4me]

>Well, it's a bit dated, but with a G4 @ 1.4 GHz it's not that dated

Did they exhibit the "prototype" in the meantime?
I must have missed this particular show report.

[Dr_Righteous]

Funny, I seem to remember Amiga Inc.'s standpoint on all of this was they don't care about the Amiga platform... They said that from day one. Their only interest was in their "Amiga Anywhere" project, which was nothing more than an advertising gimick by using a well-known brand name. AmigaOne, AmigaOS4, the whole "modernized platform" was meerly designed for us hobbyists. Bringing "Amiga" back was never in the design. Ever.

You think the prices of AmigaOS4 boards are bad now?? Wait untill the real reprocussions of the death of ApplePPC hit. Far fewer PPC chips being used, far fewer being produced, supply will shrink, price will dramatically increase. It's inevitible.

I just hope we can get enough PPC boards, cheaply and quickly enough to beat this fate before OS4 completely dies.

[drHirudo]

-- You should add: No OS4 isn't running at all.

On the hardware you own, probably not, but that's not our problem. It's runs fine on mine, so your statement is false, as most of the statements you made since you joined Amiga.org.

[dammy]

by FrankBrana on 2005/11/7 3:36:09

You think PCs are better, cheaper, faster? Then youre welcome to visit PC forums or stop the X86 trolling here.

That's alright, AROS runs quiet nicely on x86.  For a price of a A1 mobo/cpu, you can buy a new low end laptop. Which can run AROS, of course.

Dammy

[drHirudo]

That's alright, AROS runs quiet nicely on x86. For a price of a A1 mobo/cpu, you can buy a new low end laptop. Which can run AROS, of course.

AROS is not even near to the quality, usability and robustness of AmigaOS 4. It's developed for many (10+ already) years by a tiny group of enthusiasts, part time, while AmigaOS 4 is commercially developed with two full time employed developers and a great many of contributors. Currently there is much more software available for AmigaOS 4, than for AROS, despite the fact that AROS predates the announcement of AmigaOS 4 with around 6 years:

OS4Depot as of today - 667 files.
AROS archives as of today - 11 files.

Giving this picture, no wonder why most of the people prefer to look at AmigaOS 4 and always {bleep}ing why it doesn't run on XYZ hardware.

[Tigger]

Apple puts Two Dual Core G5s in there top end system running at 2.5 Ghz, so yeah a single G4 at 1.2 Ghz is kinda long in the tooth.   Apple for example doesnt sell a computer that slow anymore (even there slowest Ibook is faster then that now), and the x86 gang don't sell computers that slow either.  Plus if you are talking AmigaOne then you have the hardware problems, plus of course its not currently available and likely never will be again.
     -Tig

[Waccoon]

I wish people would just stop it about the CPU.  There's more problems here than just the microproccesor.

Pretty ironic.  The custom chips are what made the OCS Amiga so special, and all people can do is try to make PPC look better than what it is.  It's an embedded processor and has been since day one.  Chipset support sucks.

Low performance is actually tolerable in most computer markets.  Cost, value, and the lack of modern standards are the problems.

Coldfish:  I wonder how many once-were Amiga users research the A1, get put off by price and specs, and dont bother to post their discontent on any Amiga forum? Plenty, I'm guessing.

I'm wondering how many people left the Amiga community for good after the PPC announcement was made.

Dr. Righteous:  Wait untill the real reprocussions of the death of ApplePPC hit. Far fewer PPC chips being used, far fewer being produced, supply will shrink, price will dramatically increase. It's inevitible.

Well, price on the high-end versions, at least.  Whatever that will end up being, of course.

Dr. Righteous:  I just hope we can get enough PPC boards, cheaply and quickly enough to beat this fate before OS4 completely dies.

Hyperion is counting on licensing OS4 parts outside the fleeting Amiga community.  In which case, I assume the OS parts are transparrent to end-users, and thus only generates revenue, and does not actually promote the platform.  I don't think anyone seriously believes that OS4 has a future without a radical change in direction.

DrHirudo:  AROS is not even near to the quality, usability and robustness of AmigaOS 4.

I appreciate what the AROS team is doing, and if they get a kick out of it, more power to them.  However, I tried AROS several times and it was a crash-fest.  I don't really see the point in trying to make an OS3 clone when they could better spend their time making a new OS that just looks and feels like OS3.  Besides, nobody programs in the "style" of OS3, anymore, and the majority of existing apps cannot be recomiled as they are dead projects.

Why is nobody trying to go beyond UNIX?  Why are projects like EROS all collecting dust?

[Cymric]

Why is nobody trying to go beyond UNIX?  Why are projects like EROS all collecting dust?

Because they don't make money. Or rather, noone was able to make them make money at the time of their conception. They also incorporate tricky ideas which you cannot read about in popular books and magazines: this requires genuine brains.

[dammy]

AROS is not even near to the quality, usability and robustness of AmigaOS 4. It's developed for many (10+ already) years by a tiny group of enthusiasts, part time, while AmigaOS 4 is commercially developed with two full time employed developers and a great many of contributors. Currently there is much more software available for AmigaOS 4, than for AROS, despite the fact that AROS predates the announcement of AmigaOS 4 with around 6 years:

It's slow in developement, but it's still progressing and it can be run on cheap hardware that can multi-boot into other OSs.

OS4Depot as of today - 667 files.
AROS archives as of today - 11 files.

Except you didn't mention that AROS archives is only a few months old nor did you mention the vast majority of files are in the AROS or AROS Distro AROS-Max which has even more files then the AROS ISO.  The AROS Archive is the "over flow" of code that people did not want to submit into the AROS SVN.

Biggest draw back to OS4, other then the lack of reasonable hardware at reasonable costs, it's joined at the hip with Amiga Inc.  That's enough for the vast majority of Amiga users to shy away from A1/OS4.  AROS is independent of commercial preasures and failures.

Dammy

[dammy]

However, I tried AROS several times and it was a crash-fest.

What was the latest version did you try and was it AROS ISO or the distro, AROS-Max?  More importantly, what hardware did you try it with?

Dammy

[K7HTH]

Technology:

Cheap, Fast, Good... Pick two.

Time and money is the key. Do you have the time and money to invest in an A1? That is the question to answer. May be so, may be not. Either way, end of discussion.

[dylansmrjo]

Well, I don't consider the AmigaOne for obsolete. Not compared with what is still sold on the x86 platform. It is however terribly overpriced (the prices are typical around 4-6 times higher than they ought to be, sometimes even more).

But if you're interested in Computer Science and especially OS'es, I believe it's worth it (to a certain extent).

[_ThEcRoW]

Well, where are these brand new os4 exlusive software?. The majority are pcish conversions from linux(open source) such games and other apps.
And, more important, where is os4?. I haven't saw it yet, and i mean finished version, not beta. It's inadmisible that a os in his beta state was SOLD among the hardware, if the customer pay, the need to get the final product!, would you buy a brand new car with only 3 wheels and semi-worked engine?

[dylansmrjo]

Buyers of OS4 prereleases can get updates without paying more.

And I'm used to use alpha, beta and pre-releases.

Besides that, a final version of package X doesn't mean it's better than a beta version of package Y.

Any coder knows this.

If (!softwareExist) {
    doWriteIt();
} else if (softwareExist) {
    doRejoice()
}

It's that simple...