Garry Hare No longer at Amiga Inc.

[SHADES]

@Lando

"Of course KMOS never really existed except on paper."
Yeah, but that's just speculation or your opinion

No one really knows anything is my point and that's no ones fault, we are like mushrooms.
Musshrooms as in - Kept in the dark and fed sh#$

[SHADES]

@Lando
I agree with the rest though.

[Waccoon]

Yeah, but that's just speculation or your opinion

What else is there besides speculation or opinion?  Amiga Inc. hasn't released any info because they don't care about this community -- and I don't blame them as it is too small.

Face it, we're on our own.  Even if Amiga isn't dead, it's not the platform we remember.  Might as well make a new one.

[asian1]

There is something strange about Garry Hare and KMOS:

1. He announced that KMOS had bought Capacity Networks at Amiwest 2004.
Capacity Networks said that their company is NOT affiliated with KMOS or Garry Hare or Amiga Inc.

http://www.capacitynetworks.com/

2. He announced about major project/contract with broadcasting companies in Asia. I go to BroadcastAsia, various Broadcasting/TV Expos in Asia, use my contacts, banks etc to find out about KMOS, Garry Hare, or his companies activity in various countries in Asia, but NO ONE ever heard about him, KMOS, AmigaAnywhere/AmigaDE or related projects in Asia.

If he is involved in Multimedia/Broadcasting business in Asia, sooner or later I will hear something about him, but I have not hear /read anything.

[xaccrocheur]

Hey, another one

Actually, despite the fact that I kept an Amiga handy for all this years (My answering machine/minitel system has been running under AmigaOS, 1.3, then 2.0, now 3.5, for more than 10 years now) I'm not an Amigan per se, as I dis'nt know bleep about Mr Hare.

I'd really like a little update on the corporate status of the platform, and that includes Peg/MorphOS, and YES I know this is a bit like stumbling upon a bible and asking for a summary, so I extracted some questions, that I think can be answered to by yes or no, or no more than a little sentence. Please keep it as factual as possible, leaving away passion, name-calling and personal rant, I mean, as long as it's possible...

I worked for a journal here in France, that tried to screw me off two month of work's paycheck, and eventuelly won in *court*. When asked about the overall quality this newspaper, I say I hate their guts, always wondering if it's because they personally bleeped with me, or because they are, in fact, a bad journal...

My questions :

# As of today, is Amiga (AT, AINC, AWhatever, I mean the company that sells AmigaOS) existing legally ?
# As of today, is Genesi (MorphWhatever, I mean the company that sells MorphOS) existing legally ?
# How many companies are [actually, currently selling] compatible PPC boards to run AmigaOS on ?
# How many companies are [actually, currently selling] compatible PPC boards to run MorphOS on ?

And perhaps the most important one :
# Given that it's technically possible, could AROS legally run on those two boards ?
# Is it legal, to boot, to use it as a main OS on a regular i386 PC ?

As I see things (but I'm far from competent) since AROS is using open-source clones of important parts of the system like MUI/Zune, they (the AROS team) managed to stay free from any legal issue, does that mean that, given the technical abilities, it would be legal to use it
# On an AOne ?
# On a Pegasos ?
# On a Macintoch ?
# On a PC ?
# On something else ?

Finally, I'd like to take the opportunity of bowing down before the AROS people. I remember reading about you in one of the last issues of the beloved Amiga News (Toulouse, France) and thinking "those guys are MAD, they won't even get pass the exec kernel". I don't know how to thank you for feeding reality into a downright fantasy : Making this system ours. I mean, if I understood the goal of the project correctly  :rtfm:

[dammy]

by xaccrocheur on 2005/10/22 6:06:30

And perhaps the most important one :
# Given that it's technically possible, could AROS legally run on those two boards ?
# Is it legal, to boot, to use it as a main OS on a regular i386 PC ?

There is nothing stopping you from doing so, legally.  I was selling PCs with AROS installed for some time.  Porting AROS to PPC has been attempted a few times, running it hosted under PPC Linux is as close as it's gotten, to the best of my knowledge.  There are a few devs looking at getting it running under 68K Amigas, but it'll be a long and difficult road so don't hold your breath.

My personal wanting of a port will start in Feb, which can be found here.  It's still open to donations and considering what a dual core AMD64 with ASUS SLI mobo is costing, it's pretty impressive vs A1 costs.

Dammy
TeamAROS

[odin]

Cymric wrote:

MOVE ON!

My thoughts exactly.

[minator]

As of today, is Amiga (AT, AINC, AWhatever, I mean the company that sells AmigaOS) existing legally ?

It appears so.  But they don't actually sell anything, only license it.

As of today, is Genesi (MorphWhatever, I mean the company that sells MorphOS) existing legally ?

Yes, but the exact relationship with MorphOS is unclear.

How many companies are [actually, currently selling] compatible PPC boards to run AmigaOS on ?

Eyetech did sell boards but nobody knows what's going on with them right now.

New entrant Trokia plan to sell a new board soon.

How many companies are [actually, currently selling] compatible PPC boards to run MorphOS on ?

1: Genesi

Given that it's technically possible, could AROS legally run on those two boards ?

Yes

As I see things (but I'm far from competent) since AROS is using open-source clones of important parts of the system like MUI/Zune, they (the AROS team) managed to stay free from any legal issue, does that mean that, given the technical abilities, it would be legal to use it
# On an AOne ?
# On a Pegasos ?
# On a Macintoch ?
# On a PC ?
# On something else ?

Yes to all.  You can run it on anything you like.

There are very few systems you can't run on what ever you like.

[Boudicca]

Just put my tupence worth in, as its my first post for a while.

Its a matter of hope and nostalgia that the Amiga could rise again, to offer a "Home Computer" of yester year with todays technology.

* Easy to use from a child onwards
* Easy to program, for people to unlock their potential
* Fun and at the same time educational
* Brillant Games and superior graphics
* And you can leave those business chores elsewhere at the office instead of "I do it at home on my pc".

Instead the market has fragmented into Gamers, Hobbyists and Homeworkers, each requiring different needs. So the universal and boring PC is King, covers everything except one thing.

Understanding !.

You need a degree to progam a pc, a degree and good insurance to operate on it safely and you need a business degree to understand and use the software properly.

I have these days nothing but pc's around me, my amiga 1200 ppc tower is in the cupboard gathering dust.

I hoped the new amiga was the hobbyists device that would bring back the imagination and joy that those first "Home computers" did. Even though their technologies were complex, a poke here and a call there and you could unlock great protential.

Now we have HAL's and driver signing and endless corporatised products that don't say have fun but we will have your money thanks very much but you don't actually own it, just license it.

The Amiga is a dream to me, a place where I could play for hours just to get a insight into the minds of those designers. To become master of the machine for a moment or two.

Consoles/PC's are not to mastered, not open and available, just licenced all the way to the bank, they are commodities to be sold and to be sold again. Its Business not pleasure.

Where is the fun in that. Mr Hare and those £50 dreams just are that and its a sad sign that I'm a grown up now and that ageless computing seems to be a thing of the past.

Shaz

:boohoo:

[Cymric]

Boudicca wrote:
Where is the fun in that. Mr Hare and those £50 dreams just are that and its a sad sign that I'm a grown up now and that ageless computing seems to be a thing of the past.

It is very important for you to realise that the Amiga was in all aspects new to you. Many of the technologies employed are to be found in other systems too---often quite extended, but at the core still very recognisable. That sense of discovery is therefore now lost to you. Unless you begin anew with things you didn't have on your Amiga. For example, proper threading. Parsing. 3d graphics. Virtual machines. I've encountered many subjects where you can play to your hearts content, and as an added bonus do not have to worry about the underlying hardware anymore because it is (mostly) irrelevant. I suggest you look around, do some reading, and delve in. You'll recapture that feeling of discovery soon enough.

[koaftder]

Dang, another runaway thread, mixed with ami religion.

Amiga INC, aos4, blah blah who cares. amigaworld.net is the place to go for a.inc gossip and os4 promises.

I love amiga.org for it's userbase, which seems to focus on old skool amiga knowledge and general friendliness. Amiga is a lot of different things to a lot of different people. The concept has little to do with Amiga INC and aos4, and for that matter, even the hardware its self.

[asian1]

If Dr Hare had resigned several months ago, why he announced it this week?

Is this suprise announcement related to the new bankruptcy law?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/10/16/BUGH3F7TD81.DTL

"For example, the new law makes it harder for companies going down the tubes to pay their top managers to stick around. Many failing companies -- including Enron, Kmart, Polaroid and a slew of dot-coms -- promised managers fat bonuses, loans or severance pay if they stayed through at least part of the reorganization. Often, these were the same people who had run the companies into the ground."

[Darth_X]

Anyone here remember years back when KMART stocked Commodore & Amiga hardware and software?

[Seehund]

The potentially most important Amiga(TM)-influencing event for ages is still not a news item on the front page?

Well, OK, I guess it's not news by now...

@seehund

Because it wasn't news then.  It isn't news now, and the only reason you want it on the front page is to encourage the trolling.  The only thing we have is an unconfirmed e-mail, supposedly sent to the webmaster of another web site.  This does not constitute a verifiable news item.  

Besides, in real world terms, Garry Hare stepping down matters about as much as an announcement from the coach of the Fryburg Turtles little league baseball team saying he quit.  (a nod to the movie "My Blue Heaven")

Wayne Hunt
Amiga.org

@asian1

I'm fairly certain it has nothing to do with the changes in the bankruptcy laws, though I have to admit that the idea of Amiga Inc being twisted into finally admitting that they're dead by filing bankruptcy does have it's appeal.  

Not that I wish them dead.  Not at all, but simply so most of the community members (some of whom have crawled out in this thread) who harbor such hatred towards Amiga Inc can find closure and move on.

Wayne