Garry Hare No longer at Amiga Inc.

[itix]

Does this mean KMOS sold Amiga Inc?

[smithy]

itix wrote:
Does this mean KMOS sold Amiga Inc?

Through all of this (since 2000 when the venture capitalists provided funds to McEwen & co) Amiga Inc has never left the over-arching umbrella of this venture capitalist company (I'll call them the VP company hereafter).

In the beginning when McEwen & Fleecy were in charge, part of Amiga Inc will have been owned by this VP company.

Later, AmigaOS was sold to Itec (and someone else?).  I'm willing to bet my most expensive pair of Calvin Klein boxer shorts that these 2 companies were owned by this VP company.

Even later, KMOS was set up.  The earlier Garry Hare connection (he was being instructed by the VP company) and that he was also in charge of KMOS makes it too much of a coincidence - the VP company must have been involved.  I'd bet my best pair of jeans that this is the case.

Even more later, KMOS was renamed Amiga Inc.  And now Garry is gone, most likely because he's done is job as the VP company's corporate fixer-man, and he'll be moving on to the next company that the VP company feels is being run badly.

[_ThEcRoW]

So, OS4 can be considered now as a "retro" item??

itix wrote:
Does this mean KMOS sold Amiga Inc?

One would have to begin to question whether there is anything to sell in the first place.  The "ownership" of the trademarks has always been in debate, and never clearly answered by Amiga Inc.  (They would, at this point, have to openly post such documentation for most of us to believe that they did anything more than simply license the trademarks from Gateway).  Whether or not that license is transferrable is debateable as well.

In any event, quite literally over the last 8 years, we have seen these names and trademarks intentionally driven from a valuable commodity to a worthless piece of paper by a company run by unqualified people that simply failed when the VC money dried up in 2001 with the stock market drop.

My standing offer for everything Amiga Inc ever owned (if anything) is about $500 USD.  Perhaps it's time they just fessed up and put it all on ebay.  Maybe they can give it an air of legitimacy by letting doomy run the auction..

Wayne

Speaking of licensing versus buying the trademarks, I am trying to remember the exact wording Bill McEwen used when he addressed the UGN meeting in Saint Louis (2001?).

I seem to recall that he in fact said that they licensed the trademarks, but planned to take over the trademarks since "Gateway doesn't realize they will expire soon".  

Please be very clear, that this is my vague memory from an impromptu meeting over four years ago, it is not intended to represent the exact quote by McEwen.  

HOWEVER.  If some of you who were physically present at that meeting (and there were recordings made) can help me out by finding your notes, or checking your own memory, I'd really like to clear this up.

Wayne

[cecilia]

Piru wrote:
I wonder how much you'd get from this rare collector's item... :-)

I prefer mine, actually.  :lol:

[adolescent]

Or, maybe he's just not a hockey fan.

mdma wrote:
Like a rat off a sinking ship.

Sinking?  If I were standing on that ship I'd be worried about getting "the bends" from having to swim upwards from the extreme depths fast enough not to run out of air.

Amiga Inc is sitting astride the Titanic.  Only difference is, no one is looking for the Amiga any more...

[koaftder]

They might be trying to limp it along long enough to get bought out for a nice dollar ammount.

[bloodline]

koaftder wrote:
They might be trying to limp it along long enough to get bought out for a nice dollar ammount.

THat would be pointless, it's not going to happen. The software and trade marks are almost worthless... and worth less every day.

[Louis Dias]

The current user-base is nothing to write home about either.
Dare I say this community is anything but that.
Any opinion brought up is bashed to death.
Any direction taken gets picked apart.

All I see is alot of individuals with attitudes.

...for the most part anyway.

If that is the case, it's rather a moot point.  What might, at one point, have been worth 4.5 million isn't worth .5 million any more.  Most of the patents have been long-since compromised, and the trademarks of a dead computer are pretty much that.  About the only one left who would make anything off of them would be someone like Jeri who could build an "Amiga on a joystick" product.

Otherwise, the classic arena is pretty much unchanged and stable as it always has been.  I just wish I could have had better luck getting certain radicals to understand that by working to destroy the classic Amiga community, they were only hurting themselves.

Wayne

[koaftder]

Wayne wrote:
If that is the case, it's rather a moot point.  What might, at one point, have been worth 4.5 million isn't worth .5 million any more.  Most of the patents have been long-since compromised, and the trademarks of a dead computer are pretty much that.  About the only one left who would make anything off of them would be someone like Jeri who could build an "Amiga on a joystick" product.

Otherwise, the classic arena is pretty much unchanged and stable as it always has been.  I just wish I could have had better luck getting certain radicals to understand that by working to destroy the classic Amiga community, they were only hurting themselves.

Wayne

Couldnt have said it better, but man, Amiga in a joystick... That is so wrong!

Don't get me wrong here guys.  I have nothing against Amiga Inc or it's employees.  When I interacted with them, they were actually fairly good to me and in particular Amiga.org.

Where I started losing "faith" is when all the lies and coverup started around the time of the eviction and Amiga.org's monthly outages due to "backhoes".  

When you are in a situation where -- like I was -- you are giving everything you can to try and support someone (or something), and in return you feel as though you are getting outright lied to, it's rather difficult to remain "faithful".  This is, in fact, the core of how  Amigaworld.net came to exist, and why all the "faithful" flock to it to try and support Amiga Inc and "the cause".

Now, in my mind, Amiga Inc is pretty much officially dead or non-existant.  All I can say is that despite the hard feelings that Bill McEwen and Amiga Inc caused in the community with their dishonesty, at least Amiga Inc never tried to {bleep} me over like Genesi and Bill Buck did.  

McEwen could have easily {bleep]ed me over, because I had a written job offer from them pending their second round of funding, but they didn't.  For that, I am at least grateful to McEwen and I wish him and his staff well.  Otherwise, this is just a situation that I feel justified in saying "told you so" because I jumped up and down screaming for over four years warning them of the very mistakes they made.

They should have gone with AROS..

Wayne

[TjLaZer]

Hey now that is a great idea!!!  Transfer all rights of Amiga, Inc to the infamous Doom Master, of Beaverton, OR!  He buys and sells, and refurbished enough Amiga computers, which is more than Amiga, Inc has done for years! LOL

Lou,

No argument there.  Because of the neglect and outright attempts to destroy the community by some, we are hardly the community we used to be.

Wayne