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Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #179 on: April 10, 2005, 01:20:38 AM »
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Waccoon wrote:

You never did give the name of that single, inefficient bus in the Wintel PC.  Can you provide a reference for that?

I've asked you this multiple times.  If you say nothing else, please answer this.


My answer is that the question is pointless.

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You'll know more at E3.

Which is why you're going to keep wetting your pants and telling us all about these machines before E3.


Grow up.


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Since Revolution will use the same API as the GC, any work that could have been done on the GC port of AOS4 could have simply carried-on and continued for Revolution with less of the complaints about hardware capabilities

I believe it's been established that OS architecture is more complex than that.  But, you're not listening, anyway.


http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Games/GC/Default.htm
Looking at that page, it clearly states:
• NINTENDO GAMECUBE OS was built with CodeWarrior tools, so your code will integrate seamlessly, saving valuable development time

So ofcourse you will make some rudimentary arguement (as always) that this doesn't mean it can run any other OS...

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and you'd really have a system with modern hardware for way less than $1000.

Has it occured to you why AmigaOne is so expensive?  It is more sophiticated than Gamecube, but mostly it's becuase the guys in charge want it to cost a lot of money.  This has been established, too, but you're not listening.


other than having a PPC socket instead of an Athlon or Pentium cpu socket, this board offers technology that is 5 years old.  The A1 board would cost $30 if it was an IBM-compatible motherboard.  A PPC cpu socket doesn't justify the price difference.  And the bundled video card (Radeon 7000) is also 5 or 6 years old.

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You can do a lot if your architecture is sound.  It never ceases to amaze me how ePSXe absolutely blows away the compatibility mode supported by the PS2.  You haven't seen real power until you've seen a Playstation game running in 1280x1024 in 32-bit color with full AA and modern texture filtering.  All that, and it runs without a hickup, too.


Yeah, I was running Tekken 3 at 1600x1200x32 fast as hell with a Radeon 7500 and an Athlon 900 using !Bleem.  I have used ePSXe now (!Bleem doesn't support Win2k) and it's alot slower.  I run an Athlon 2400+ with Radeon All-In-Wonder 8500DV.

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Well there aren't too many 'Nintendo-made' games that don't kick ass for the genre they are inteded for.

Not according to the demos I've played in the store.  It's a matter of taste.  Lots of people have also expressed their enormous disappointment with the new Starfox game on the fansites to which I'm subscribed.  I don't own a Gamecube (yet) but I've certainly seen it in action.


Why would you subscribe to a fansite of a game you don't own for a system you don't own?

Well, the big complaint about Star Fox Assault that I've seen on the fan sites is that Namco didn't include LAN play even though it was originally supposed to include it.  Other than that, people loved the return of the flying missions but felt the ground combat was thrown in to maintain some consistency with Star Fox Adventures.  I've seen the demo and the game looks hot.  I'll get it eventually.  I just beat Resident Evil 4.  You'd do no wrong to buy a used GC just for RE4.

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Didn't SEGA sell 5 million Saturns in Japan, and that was considered a miserable failure?

Kinda makes you feel better about a few thousand Amigas, doesn't it?  Especially since Hyperion wanted it that way.


There's quite a difference between 'million' and 'thousand'.  And why would a company want to limit it's own sales?

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Dare I ask what Lou thinks about XNA?  (Before you answer, keep in mind E3 hasn't happened, yet)  :-)


XNA - what took so damn long.  Either way it's just a fancy name for a common set of tools.

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I just updated my ATI drivers and on top of all the garbase like context menus I don't want, Java is now broken and many GUI components are showing up as blank.  I'm really, really upset with ATI right now.  Microsoft isn't alone when it comes to pulling lots of idiotic stunts that screw end-users.


ATI driver updates are always touchy.  Great hardware though.  The best way is to completely uninstall the old drivers then start new.

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#3 - Blame Hyperion for that, not the hardware itself.  AmigaOne is a horrible mis-match on all levels, and Hyperion had a lot of time to make that decision.  Even if Gamecube could run OS4, it's obvious the powers in charge don't want anything even close to that.


Actually I blame Eyetech.  Too bad Hyperion is contractually locked in.

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I can understand you don't like PS2 because it just sucks.  Really.  But, your verdict on PS3 is very pre-mature.  I suppose you've actually used the hardware?


Well if you say one PPC cpu isn't binary compatible with another PPC cpu, Cell certainly isn't going to be.  And like I said, development carries over from GC to Revolution.  I don't believe PS3 will ressemble PS2 in any way.

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Also, I'm disappointed you're only looking at console hardware.  Don't you think PC vendors would love to use cheap hardware, too?  Why don't they?  There's no law that a PC (open standards, not Wintel), must run Windows.  Why is it so tough to make alternative systems?  Do you think there might be, oh... technical reasons for it?  Why are Linux PPC boards intended for servers built like PCs instead of game consoles if all they do is direct Internet traffic and run architecture independent scripting languages and databases?


People want a PPC Amiga running OS 4.  I already own a PPC machine (Gamecube) and don't feel like spending money on the A1 for the reasons I've already stated.  Remember the topic: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP

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OS4 isn't modern enough to run a real browser, and Hyperion specializes in porting old games, not making new ones.


Don't tell that to the IBrowse users.  I can show you server log files of IBrowse users running OS4 connecting to a site I maintain (www.dsbuzz.com) having hit my site (as well as MorphOS).  Also, I know they have done ports.  Nothing is stopping them from releasing OS4 versions of what they've already done.  Like I said - retro-pak.

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Imagine Amiga Anywhere games on Gamecube.  That'd be good for a laugh.  I wonder what Nintendo Power would say about that.  :-)


The whole point of Amiga Anywhere is portability.  Amiga Anywhere would probably do just fine on a DS or GBA.

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so many parts would have to be written from scratch that it would cost millions just to get it up and running


Considering OS4 was written from scratch..for the A1 which was almost designed from scratch...  Some how I feel you are overestimating just a bit...  Oh and please name the OS4 specific parts that need to be rewritten from scratch since you seem to be the resident expert on porting it.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #180 on: April 10, 2005, 05:54:32 PM »
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coldfish wrote:
seer wrote:

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How anyone can hate a company is really beyond me.


I think exposes a lack of deeper thinking. ;0)

by lou_dias:

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With business practices like this:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=dev&aid=1210

it's easy.


Maybe you should think about the society that breeds individuals that partake in these sorts of business practices???


It's definitly the capitalist piggish society that is the U.S. of A. but that's another topic for another thread.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #181 on: April 19, 2005, 09:18:22 PM »
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=8108

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WebTV is Microsoft's effort at bringing internet communication and media functionality to the living room, and includes basic functionality such as web, e-mail and IM access along with the ability to stream music and video channels from the 'net or from local PCs.

Integrating the system with Xbox 360 would be a logical move, and a major land-grab for Microsoft in this space - which is tipped to become more important in the coming years as increasing amounts of content are broadcast over the Internet as opposed to over traditional TV networks.


Who would have thought that people might want there game console to also surf the web and check email and stream video?  Darn, why didn't I think of that...oh wait!  I did! I did!

Also, Revolution wireless partner announced:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/605/605846p1.html
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #182 on: April 19, 2005, 10:19:52 PM »
Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP

here is one:
http://www.macgeek.org/museum/pippin/information.html
http://www.mandrake.demon.co.uk/Apple/pip1.html

Xbox360=Pippin2?
How long before it´s hacked to run MacOSX?
Apple did it right the first time, bring back the Newton!
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #183 on: April 24, 2005, 11:59:18 PM »
http://brokensaints.com/blog/

holy shiznit, a 3D addon for the gamecube at last year's E3!
Revolution with stereoscopic 3D!
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #184 on: May 03, 2005, 01:51:04 AM »
Now I also own this for a whopping $14 shipped:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8187606116

Already own this for a whopping $29 shipped:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41040&item=8168213533

now to look for a deal on this:
http://us.codejunkies.com/shop/product.asp?c=US&cr=USD&cs=$&r=0&l=1&ProdID=297
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #185 on: May 03, 2005, 06:53:18 AM »
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lou_dias wrote:

now to look for a deal on this:
http://us.codejunkies.com/shop/product.asp?c=US&cr=USD&cs=$&r=0&l=1&ProdID=297


NAH!!!

what you really want is to wait a bit and get the actual Hard Drive hook up that is being made by the Xecuter squad.  haven't seen any pics yet, but they mentioned it while talking about their case replacement w/ a built in MOD chip slot, here:

http://www.teamxecuter.com/

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AMIGA: (NOUN) THE FIRST COMPUTER THAT BRIDGED THE GAP BETWEEN HUMANITY AND TECHNOLOGY.
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #186 on: May 04, 2005, 01:58:02 AM »
Interesting find.  They should have just got this http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=77&products_id=1575& and left well enough alone.  The thing you do lose with the 'Q' is progressive scan mode.  Strange to offer DVD playback but take away progressive scan mode...
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #187 on: May 14, 2005, 06:50:34 AM »
FYI just yesterday I was looking at the Linux for Game Cube web site. They have documented Game Cube hardware very well. It should be possible to port AROS to that platform (forget about AOS4 please...that thing barely exists).

Just last month somebody managed to get the Linux/PPC hosted version working:

http://sengor.ath.cx/~sheutlin/aros/Screenshot-AROS.png

Food for thought anyway.
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #188 on: May 14, 2005, 07:24:27 AM »
You know, the more I think about it...

I never considered AROS that viable as a desktop replacement, but it could be an interesting console platform (much like the original Amiga). The price of the GC is the most appealing aspect. One can even use an emulator to test the AROS CG ROM.

One doesn't need permission from anybody to make this a reality, just lots of time programming  :juggler:

If you want to buy 100 GCs and give each AROS developer one that might get things moving :-D
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #189 on: May 14, 2005, 07:34:33 AM »
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You know, the more I think about it...

I never considered AROS that viable as a desktop replacement, but it could be an interesting console platform (much like the original Amiga). The price of the GC is the most appealing aspect. One can even use an emulator to test the AROS CG ROM.


It would be better, easier, and cheaper to just use an Xbox.  x86 architecture, built in hard drive, fullsize CD/DVD drive, 10/100 NIC, USB, etc.  By the time you add all of this to the GCN, you're spending well over the ~$150.  (Not to mention there isn't a working HD, and the GCN exploits to actually load homebrew software are more expensive than on the Xbox)
Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #190 on: May 14, 2005, 07:42:25 AM »
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lou_dias wrote:
Interesting find.  They should have just got this http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=77&products_id=1575& and left well enough alone.  The thing you do lose with the 'Q' is progressive scan mode.  Strange to offer DVD playback but take away progressive scan mode...


Wrong.  The Q supports 480p (progressive scan) for games that support it, just like a regular GCN.  The DVD however is not progressive scan.  
Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #191 on: May 14, 2005, 07:44:18 AM »
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lou_dias wrote:
http://brokensaints.com/blog/

holy shiznit, a 3D addon for the gamecube at last year's E3!
Revolution with stereoscopic 3D!


Yes, the second coming of the Virtual Boy. :lol:  Glad to see Nintendo has the gimick market in the bag.
Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #193 on: May 14, 2005, 08:13:32 AM »
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MS: What's most amazing is the extreme difference of the architectures of the GameCube and the Xbox. The Xbox is a PC, so it has all these legacy features and unneeded PC features -- like plug-n-play -- and is very complicated to program because the hardware interfaces are old and "patchy." Programming the GameCube reminds me more of programming a Commodore 64 or an Amiga: Very clean, minimal hardware interfaces, a perfectly optimized system.
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #194 from previous page: May 15, 2005, 12:13:22 AM »
Since we're on the Linux topic.  How about a fully supported, fully featured, linux distribution of Mandriva (formerly Mandrake) for Xbox?  Available now.

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Limited Edition 2005, a special new version of its operating system that blends the most up to date popular open source applications, including Firefox 1.0.2, with specific customisations resulting in advanced multimedia, internet and development capabilities. These features include out-of-the-box Web content RSS reading and software sound mixing (so multiple applications can play sound at once). Limited Edition 2005 is the only Linux system to allow the trouble-free coexistence of 32-bit and 64-bit applications. It also offers enhanced hardware support for removable devices, including the ability to boot from USB keys.

Summary of important applications:
Linux kernel 2.6.11.6 ; KDE 3.3.2 (with some backports from version 3.4, including kpdf) ; GNOME 2.8.3 ; Firefox 1.0.2 ; GCC 3.4.3 ; The GIMP 2.2 ; Cdrecord 2.01.01a21 (with DVD+R dual-layer support) ; OpenOffice.org 1.1.4 ; MySQL 4.1.11.

A special feature that will certainly appeal to gamers and enthusiasts is that the new release from Mandriva has support for the Xbox console, empowering users to bridge the divide between gaming and other computer activities.
Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(