Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?

[dammy]

Hell no!  It makes SAMs look cheap by comparison.  Makes EFIKA-MX netbook price look like pocket change.

[dammy]

The original question asked by orb85750 was :-
'Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?'

It was not entitled what are Piru's biased views on everything else but this question...

From the responses so far, he has his answer, very very few on AO are planning to buy a A1X1K.  No matter how much spin/hype or sunshine being blown where the sun don't shine is going to change the fact it's over priced and underwhelming capabilities.  If the A1X1K is ever released to the public, I fully expect to see within 12 months smartphones with better benchmarks then the A1X1K.  

We need today's and tomorrow's solutions now, not solutions from the 1990s.

[dammy]

OK i'll rephrase that. Swap quality for pride. After watching trevor on youtube talking about the x1000 it's the first time i have considered buying an ng amiga. For me the sams and the pegasus were soulless but the x1000 clearly has emotion put into it so i want a part of it.

To this day when i touch my a500 i feel pride but when i bought my quad core 2 months ago i threw it on the table and switched it on and i didn't give a damn about it. It will be a relief to pick up an amiga again and feel pride.

That's the problem, I consider AmigaOnes series soulless.  There is nothing attached to it but the lingering smell of arrogance.

[dammy]

Microsoft chose PowerPC because they could get full control of the chip (and for instance embed security features inside it... making it much harder to crack the console). That was not possible with intel or AMD. Original Xbox was cracked almost instantly and it meant major losses due to piracy.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if M$ went ARM for their next generation XBox now M$ has licensed ARM technology.  I'm sure Bing will see ARM servers, but there is no reason for M$ to stop at servers, why not portable Xbox and if so, why not the next generation XBox itself?

I see every possible perk for M$ to fully embrace their new technology on every level outside of desktops and that maybe a contract away.  They have paid for it already, it's cheap, and they are in control.

Which is the exact opposite of A-EON/Hyperion's course set to epicfailville.

[dammy]

I still reckon anything is possible, if the idea is good enough and you have the willpower to see it through.

I may be getting on a bit, but all this defeatist talk and total disbelief in just what someone can achieve, only goes to show the almost total lack of self belief and defeatist attitude in folk today.

It's almost as if folk have resigned themselves to the belief that the little man can't do anything anymore without the backing of the multi nationals. It's a sad sorry world we live in if thats the attitude folk have today...

Welcome to reality in 2010.  The idea that the little guy that go 1 on 1 with a corp spending literally billions of dollars @ year on R&D is fantasy.  Even C= didn't bother to bake up their own CPU, they used what was best for them and moved on to something they had to create.  The world has changed since the 1980s, hardware is a fast changing commodity and the consumer has won out on buck:bang ratio.  Whatever you dreamed of as a mega computer to own back in the 80s and 90s can probably come to reality in mobile phone that they sell down at the mall.  If it's still not up to par, wait till this time next year, and it will be.

[dammy]

Reality for you maybe, but I unlike the majority have no need for a mobile phone or an all singing all dancing super duper PC or Mac. I did ask folk for advice in a recent thread for advice on buying my first ever PC and thank you to all who responded with lots of helpful and useful advice.

However having spent a couple of days this week trailing around the shops I can now safely say that the 2 grand I was willing to spend shall be staying in my pocket.

Two grand, for a desktop?  Most I have ever spent was $768 and that was for a dual core (nVidia gfx) laptop.  Unless your VAT is ungodly high, there isn't much of a reason to spend much more then $600 for a machine that should be impressive in performance.

[dammy]

Just my two cents.

Interesting, I was not aware billion dollar Corps were competing in the Amiga Arena. I do know most New gadgets and Ideas are created by the "little Guy" as you call them.

What is this Amiga Arena that your talking about?   Lets look at all three Amiga-like OSs, AROS, MOS, and OS4.  All three use atleast AMD gfx driver's and some use drivers for nVidia and Intel.  You got a garage company that can roll out GFX cores that are above what the three above gfx chip guys are producing currently?  I'm all ears about that one.  Lets talk about CPUs with Intel, AMD plus IBM and Motorola, what garage company is cranking out CPUs that are next generation compared to what their current generations are?  Again, I'm all ears about that as well.

My point is that no garage company is going to be able to pull ahead of what those giants are spending on yearly R&D budgets.

[dammy]

As was pointed out by many when this thing was first announced, two grand plants you firmly into professional workstation or hardcore gamer territory. So you're up against two way 8 core systems with ram into the double figures, RAID or SSDs and top of the line graphics cards, probably in SLI.

Suddenly, a dualcore PPC motherboard seems woefully underpowered compared to the competition.

It's unlikely to be only $2K USD.  Looking at what the Beta mobo owners are going to be paying for mobo and RAM, and with a discount, one could see the final retail version of the A1X1K hitting around $3K USD.

[dammy]

Ok, good point on GFX chips although that was not the point of the discussion I responded to. But most all companies manufacturing pc boards and systems use chips that are available to anyone. My observation was to your point regarding Amiga related hardware specifically X1000 and software which was being discussed. Nvidia, ATI, and Intel are not competing for amiga market share, but anyone can surely buy and use their chips and video boards. Drivers are created by individuals. So yes, in the Amiga world the "Little guy can compete".

Oh, you mean the AmigaOne market?  Sure, you can have a garage company slug it out with ACube and A-EON for a couple of dozen sales, I suppose.  Why anyone would bother to do that type of investment for a couple of dozen sales is beyond me.

Back in the real world, it's just not worth it less your able to sell tens of thousands of units, like how C= USA is planning.  Even then, it's off the shelf parts because it's too expensive unless your looking at  multi million unit sales.

[dammy]

For example this: http://store.apple.com/us/...

It certainly has more horsepower than the X1000 but it probably won´t run UAE any better than your other PC.

Since UAE can only use one core, it will depend on the speed of the individual cores for UAE's speed.  The good thing is, we hit the minimum core speed to run OCS/ECS/AGA Amiga games awhile ago.  Lets face reality, if your not using UAE for games, there isn't a whole lot of Amiga 68K apps that require heavy CPU usage.

Since most Amiga folks don't mind building their own system (be it x86 or PPC) let look at what we can build ourselves.  You can buy a AMD six core plus mobo for under $400.  Next year who knows how much CPU power (plus mobo) that same $400 will buy.  Problem is for AROS/MOS/OS4 is that the SMP horse (x86_64 and ARM) left the barn years ago and isn't coming back.  AROS at least runs on x86_64 but can't be SMP while OS4 wants to be AMP, it's on PPC and AMP will never be SMP without a massive rewrite.  OS4 rewrite for SMP is highly unlikely to ever see the light of day.  Basically we, the Amiga Community, are screwed for not being creative enough to adjust to the ever changing environment with rigid 3.1 API dogma. Shame really, we use to have pride on what our beloved OS could do that Windows/MacOS couldn't do at the time.  Now the tables have turned and there is no way out for 10+ years of near sighted mistakes.

And people expect to sell a ~$3K USD system that is in danger of being eclipsed by smartphones and is unlikely to ever fully be used by OS4, in these economic times?  Yeah, right.

[dammy]

OT: I think the timeframe of the recession lifting as you put it, seems to be getting further and further away - especially here in the UK.  I ring businesses and local authorities as part of my daily work and all I am hearing is negativity.  I am told over the phone 'oh we have to print in Black and White now as opposed to Colour to save money on ink cartridges we certainly don't have any money to buy what you are offering' or 'we have to ask permission from management to print absolutely anything'. Bleak times ahead.  Hence my apprehension.. there is just no money about unless your a Solicitor, Debt Collector, Funeral Director or a f-ing Banker.

It will most likely get worse before it gets better.  US will more then likely (depending on next months elections and if the GOP can stop the rash of new taxes going into effect on Jan 1st) go back into recession.  If the US does go into a recession, I don't see much hope until 2013 at the earliest of coming out of it.  2014 will likely see the US dipping yet again as the next wave of Obama taxes destroy the economy.

SAM460's price tag is going to be tough to chew on, the A1X1K's is just insanely priced.  Which is kind of fitting since it's a relic of the past when one could ask for outlandish amount of money for PPC system.  PPC for desktops declined for a reason, and we are being reminded of why with these new systems.  Current economics just magnify it's short comings even more so.

[dammy]

Please take the teabagging to the political area.....I came here to read about Amiga's......

Please stop using sexually offensive terminology.  I find it personally offensive.