Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?

[Iggy]

no l be going 100 mphs sideways with smoke pouring of the tires like in top gear
actually to tell the truth l rather have vtr 1000 honda twin with two bothers racing
pipes oh yeah..... but thats what l mean its what exites you....... its not the numbers

its the x factor its being alive like mr clarkson says alot the worst car is the best car.
wonder what aros car is maybe souped up lada with racing pipe and bread bin on the bonnet

This is amusing, but guess what? I've actually got a US spec VFR750R (aka RC30) in my garage (no I'm not kidding).
I do like Honda's new V4 Sport-Tourer though.
Fast is fun, but efficient is better.
I actually like the X1000. I have had previous contact with the company that designed it (and admire their work).
But since the X1000 is overpriced (although considering the economies of its production's scale - its reasonable), I'll still take the Mac.

Actually, a Lada with a good stout Fiat 124 engine probably would move well. I have a lot of fond memories of the Fiat 124 Spyder.

[fishy_fiz]

@Franko

But again, not everyone buys your narrow definition of what an Amiga is.  UAE is a marvellous way of maintaining an Amiga without having to deal with all the problems of 15 to 20 year old hardware.  It's also capable of running an order of magnitude or more faster than any physical Amiga every made.  There's never been a Steve Jobs to carry the vision forward.  Throughout it's history it's been dragged through scandal, scam and dirty dealing in a manner that more resembles a soap opera than a computer history.

We live in 2010, almost 2011.  It's fair to compare anything that we see that may carry the name Amiga in all or part of it's name to things that we can buy in 2010/11.  I can go out, plunk down US$200 and get a 10 inch Android tablet that will emulate a Classic Amiga beautifully and has more power than a SAM.

I came into the Amiga 25 years ago because it was better than anything on the market and price comparable to MS Windows clones.  It was cutting edge, bleeding edge really.  That bleeding edge is no longer possible in the Amiga world, and likely never will be, so the only way to unify the desire for an Amiga and the desire to be on the bleeding edge is to run UAE on a high end Mac or PC....

It's not just UAE performance on modern systems though, it's the fact that ppc macs and x86 pc's are *native* targets for modern "amiga" systems in MOS and AROS, so the value for money thing very much applies. It's not that Im anti OS4, given the money I'd like an OS4 system as well, but if it wasnt for the lightning fast amiga experience I get for a small amount of money from AROS, I'd probably be using MOS for my "NG" amiga system, as it represents the next best value for money. I can only assume (hope) that X1000 is aimed at the small numbers of OS4 users that want the best available platform for thier OS as there's just no market in a machine that while fast enough to give a nice experience for most day to day stuff, is still pretty underwhelming in comparison to what else is around for a fraction of the price. If OS4 stood out amongst the other "NG" amiga systems I'd possibly reconsider the X1000, but all 3 (aros/mos/os4) have a similar software base and for every advantage one has the others have thier own. Im just not willing to shell out that sort of money for a similar amiga experience I get elsewhere a lot cheaper. Each to htier own though.

[Iggy]

Each to htier own though.

Absolutely! I hope somebody buys X1000s (I'm just not selling the bike for one). And if you're leaning toward AOS and you can't afford an X1000, look at older hardware or consider an Acube motherboard,

I pray the developments team behind AOS4 and AROS continue to prosper.

I've never really found those markets a threat or even thought of them as competitors. Even if I use an MOS system, I want to wish these other Amiga users (and descendant systems) well. Software written for any Amiga system, old or next generation (regardless of variety) tends to get ported across all platforms and the more users we have the more successful our future will be.

[Kesa]

Isn't that a bit premature, considering the product isn't even out yet? Or what are you basing this "quality" association on?

I don't associate "quality" with AmigaONE, quite the opposite actually.

OK i'll rephrase that. Swap quality for pride. After watching trevor on youtube talking about the x1000 it's the first time i have considered buying an ng amiga. For me the sams and the pegasus were soulless but the x1000 clearly has emotion put into it so i want a part of it.

To this day when i touch my a500 i feel pride but when i bought my quad core 2 months ago i threw it on the table and switched it on and i didn't give a damn about it. It will be a relief to pick up an amiga again and feel pride.

[slayer]

amen Kesa

[actung_bab]

wow thats cool rc 30 vfr nice machines was at world superbike final here in nz
think was 88 forget know fred merkel won title on the honda after guy on bimota feel
of warm up lap on cold slicks

yeah wanted vrf 750 is my fav honda of all time yeah new one seems backwards step
l like light weight better handling myself

vfr 1200 looked yuk in pics but real life looks okay getting good reviews

honda know how to design good bikes like there philsopy u get that when u have
guy start biz like mr honda did .



also like truimph 675 daytona and the more street version.

yeah everone like good design
but for me see exon having someone with vision in company
alwys going beat corporation with people just there for the dollar
just my thoughts

[dammy]

OK i'll rephrase that. Swap quality for pride. After watching trevor on youtube talking about the x1000 it's the first time i have considered buying an ng amiga. For me the sams and the pegasus were soulless but the x1000 clearly has emotion put into it so i want a part of it.

To this day when i touch my a500 i feel pride but when i bought my quad core 2 months ago i threw it on the table and switched it on and i didn't give a damn about it. It will be a relief to pick up an amiga again and feel pride.

That's the problem, I consider AmigaOnes series soulless.  There is nothing attached to it but the lingering smell of arrogance.

[the_leander]

That's the problem, I consider AmigaOnes series soulless.  There is nothing attached to it but the lingering smell of FAIL.

 
FTFY.

Seriously, how many A1's died due to their CPUs being fried thanks to bad power regulation on the board?

[Amiga_Nut]

Due to circumstances that cannot be repeated in today's world. The market is way too saturated these days for any new small player to bring anything really new and revolutionary to to playground. Even if you tried you'd be ground to dust in seconds by the large megacorporations, or just bought out and the good parts being incorporated in their own products.

The best you can do is to try concentrate on the software and run in on someone else's HW. You can build a reasonable niche there, still.

If that was true then the xbox360 would have a Quad Core Intel CPU and cost the same as a 2007 PC capable of running games @ 60FPS in 1920x1080...clearly they didn't and it doesn't

There is no substitute for genius design and clued up entrepreneurs fronting the cash.

Sure Commodore was a massive company in the mid 80s but Amiga was off the shelf tech bought in. Ditto if the makers of X1000 had a realistic business plan they only had to do 2 things.

1. Secure the services of IBM as an advisor on how to use the shit hot Xenon 3.2Ghz PPC compatible CPU

2. Hire some tech geniuses to understand roughly how the Xbox 360 motherboard works.

So in essence they would be doing what Commodore did, take a shit hot chipset and make a damned fine state of the art PC using those components that blew EVERYTHING out of the water in 1985/86.

This didn't happen, we got the luke warm X1000 idea, and it's doomed to sell a few thousand at best.

Now the real question is....is it fair to blame PC tech or Apple marketing here? No the simple fact is lack of intelligence = X1000 and not a $500 Xbox360 exceeding chipset on a motherboard that would have led to a computer selling possibly a million @ $500/£400.

It certainly is impossible to replicate the days of A1000, but is not impossible to replicate the days of Sega Megadrive/Genesis £200 vs A500 £450ish in 1988/89.

So I don't buy that X86 on OS4 was the only option (who's writing the millions of obscure drivers for every PC in the world?) and AROS IS AmigaOS on x86...support that one.

And I wouldn't want a Mac logo on a machine I run OS4 on so they better include a huge sticker to cover that shit if selling OS4 + PPC Mac in some future timeline.

[Amiga_Nut]

OK i'll rephrase that. Swap quality for pride. After watching trevor on youtube talking about the x1000 it's the first time i have considered buying an ng amiga. For me the sams and the pegasus were soulless but the x1000 clearly has emotion put into it so i want a part of it.

To this day when i touch my a500 i feel pride but when i bought my quad core 2 months ago i threw it on the table and switched it on and i didn't give a damn about it. It will be a relief to pick up an amiga again and feel pride.

That's nostalgia, nothing more. Stick an X1000 on a desk and a top of the range i7 (costing less) on the table and see what today's generation prefer....the machine that can play Call of Duty 4 or one that can run Final Writer 97 or some less than perfect web browser?

People don't care, X1000 gives them no reason to care (it costs more and does less than a PC) and Microsoft haters are rare in people buying their first PC nowadays.

You need to give people a reason to buy an X1000, either it must be superior to the alternative in every way to justify the price OR it must take design cues from something like the Xbox360 motherboard and from that $99 set of components build a machine that plays PS3/Xbox360 quality games @ 1080p AND cost half way between an actual Xbox360 and a PC capable of DX10 @ 1080p in 60FPS non-stop.

THIS is why A500 sold by the bucket load (and C64 too I guess) the x86 competition was too expensive* and the consoles were only consoles with expensive carts and no other abilities.

*(Yes you can buy some piece of shit for £400 now with gigs or ram and HD but they all come with crippled graphics and won't even run DX9 games at 720p with a kick up the ass, gaming rigs equalling 360/PS3 quality cost about 1000+ and without a monitor.....remember Win7 piece of shit needs a couple of Ghz to run alone let alone the same code as is being pushed through on the 360/PS3 code lol)

[the_leander]

If that was true then the xbox360 would have a Quad Core Intel CPU and cost the same as a 2007 PC capable of running games @ 60FPS in 1920x1080...clearly they didn't and it doesn't

Different market spaces.

Also you're ignoring the fact that the 360's cost is subsidised.

As to the rest... I'm fairly sure I've read this line before and others have explained to you why it isn't going to happen.

[jorkany]

OK i'll rephrase that. Swap quality for pride. After watching trevor on youtube talking about the x1000 it's the first time i have considered buying an ng amiga. For me the sams and the pegasus were soulless but the x1000 clearly has emotion put into it so i want a part of it.

To this day when i touch my a500 i feel pride but when i bought my quad core 2 months ago i threw it on the table and switched it on and i didn't give a damn about it. It will be a relief to pick up an amiga again and feel pride.

I think I get it. It doesn't matter what the actual product is, just the way it's presented. So if Trevor had been talking about your 2-month-old quad core, would you have felt pride about it then?

We have a LOT of people like Trevor here in Florida, particularly in South Florida. They usually target the elderly, infirm, and desperately lonely.

[Piru]

If that was true then the xbox360 would have a Quad Core Intel CPU and cost the same as a 2007 PC capable of running games @ 60FPS in 1920x1080...clearly they didn't and it doesn't

Microsoft chose PowerPC because they could get full control of the chip (and for instance embed security features inside it... making it much harder to crack the console). That was not possible with intel or AMD. Original Xbox was cracked almost instantly and it meant major losses due to piracy.

There is no substitute for genius design and clued up entrepreneurs fronting the cash.

Sure Commodore was a massive company in the mid 80s but Amiga was off the shelf tech bought in. Ditto if the makers of X1000 had a realistic business plan they only had to do 2 things.

1. Secure the services of IBM as an advisor on how to use the shit hot Xenon 3.2Ghz PPC compatible CPU

2. Hire some tech geniuses to understand roughly how the Xbox 360 motherboard works.

So in essence they would be doing what Commodore did, take a shit hot chipset and make a damned fine state of the art PC using those components that blew EVERYTHING out of the water in 1985/86.

You're forgetting something: You can't just hack something like this (computer HW business introducing a new platform) up from our garage anymore. It takes capital, lots of it. Back in the day it was possible to (literally!) start your business from a garage... I argue that this isn't possible anymore.

How would you go on and sell this idea to VCs? New game console? New desktop? What would bring them the profits for their investment?

And btw, game consoles are cheap because they're sold at a loss. The income comes from the game sales.

[Franko]

You're forgetting something: You can't just hack something like this up from our garage anymore. It takes capital, lots of it. Back in the day it was possible to (literally!) start your business from a garage... I argue that this isn't possible anymore.

100% wrong, I know of 3 folk personally, whom in the past 2 and a half years have started up their own business from a garage/home and who are continuing to go from strength to strength today.

It's all down to providing a service or product that enough people want. I have to admit that I was wrong with one of these people when she first told me her idea, I said that not enough folk would want that to make it viable. Well she proved me wrong and in less than 2 years she now employs 2 other people and is making a quite comfortable living from it.

Don't understand why you would believe Piru that such a feat is not possible in this day and age... :confused:

[Piru]

100% wrong, I know of 3 folk personally, whom in the past 2 and a half years have started up their own business from a garage/home and who are continuing to go from strength to strength today.

It's all down to providing a service or product that enough people want. I have to admit that I was wrong with one of these people when she first told me her idea, I said that not enough folk would want that to make it viable. Well she proved me wrong and in less than 2 years she now employs 2 other people and is making a quite comfortable living from it.

Don't understand why you would believe Piru that such a feat is not possible in this day and age... :confused:

Uh. I obviously was talking in relation to computer HW business, specifically creating totally new platform. Say what Apple and other companies did in the silicon valley.

But sure, I'll edit the post to avoid any further confusion. Apparently it was somehow possible to misinterpret it.

[ognix]

To this day when i touch my a500 i feel pride but when i bought my quad core 2 months ago i threw it on the table and switched it on and i didn't give a damn about it. It will be a relief to pick up an amiga again and feel pride.

I REALLY understand this: it happens to me as well...
I don't know if it comes from the object itself (I know, we're going out of "tangible reality"), from the experiences it gave me in the past (eg. nostalgia), or from both.

You can say whatever about this, but it's a matter of fact that something exists since we are talking about this! (the Amiga!)  

Anyway at the moment I don't see/feel any special attraction regarding the X1000, exactly as for the AmigaONE.

The only thing is "uprising" me a bit is Natami, if only it will come to life (as MiniMig).