Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?

[tone007]

When my years broadband subscription runs out and if I haven't got one of my miggys online by then then I shall happily go back to living without the net.

However will you make it without your adult chats!?

[Franko]

@tone007

Got banned from that site for pointing out that god doesn't exist and showing the members that what they said on that site was not private and could easily be googled...

Strange topics I know for an adult dating/chat site, but then the net is a very strange place full of some very strange peeps...

[amiga92570]

Welcome to reality in 2010.  The idea that the little guy that go 1 on 1 with a corp spending literally billions of dollars @ year on R&D is fantasy.  Even C= didn't bother to bake up their own CPU, they used what was best for them and moved on to something they had to create.  The world has changed since the 1980s, hardware is a fast changing commodity and the consumer has won out on buck:bang ratio.  Whatever you dreamed of as a mega computer to own back in the 80s and 90s can probably come to reality in mobile phone that they sell down at the mall.  If it's still not up to par, wait till this time next year, and it will be.

Just my two cents.

Interesting, I was not aware billion dollar Corps were competing in the Amiga Arena. I do know most New gadgets and Ideas are created by the "little Guy" as you call them. They may sell there ideas to Corporations or start partnerships to bring them to market. Look at Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Dell, Gateway,  Ebay, and craigslist. They were all little guys at one time.

[runequester]

The warranty shops offer is usually a rip off.
If your computer makes it past the first 3 months, it'll probably make it 5 years easy.

THats of course if you saved the receipt, original box etc etc, or they'll probably refuse to fix it anyways, unless you cough up more cash.

Oh and they try to convince you that you need to take out an extended warranty for a few hundred quid, if these machines are so unreliable that you need to be covered by said warranty in the first 3 years then they must be absolute crap to start with.

[kolla]

Point taken, but I would still say that such a feat could be possible today if the person has a good enough product and the willpower and capital to make a go of it.

With so much dow, why set it up in a garage?

[ajlwalker]

I still reckon anything is possible, if the idea is good enough and you have the willpower to see it through.

I may be getting on a bit, but all this defeatist talk and total disbelief in just what someone can achieve, only goes to show the almost total lack of self belief and defeatist attitude in folk today.

It's almost as if folk have resigned themselves to the belief that the little man can't do anything anymore without the backing of the multi nationals. It's a sad sorry world we live in if thats the attitude folk have today...

I still remember the thread Dennis van Weeren announced his minimig in.  Full of disbelievers and downright rude individuals and neg-heads.

If you're interested franko the link is here: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=19361

[Methuselas]

I thought that their may have been something out there that would have at least given me something of the same feeling that I had when I purchased my very first A1000 or C64, but no, all I was left with was the feeling that all they wanted to do was sell me a piece of kit that was for nothing more than browsing the internet.

I'm sorry, but the "2 grand" you would have spent on a machine now, is *VASTLY* superior to "what you had when you purchased your very first A1000 or C64".


This is the *ENTIRE* problem with the Amiga Scene now. You're trapped in this fantasy world that someone, some tiny, obscure company consisting of less than a dozen employees is going to create the "new" Amiga that will take over the world, when IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN! Eventually all our miggies won't be able to cut it when it comes to "computing". Facts of live. The Amiga is getting left behind in the dust and people, like yourself, like Hyperion, who insist that going against the "modern computing" direction is the right one, are the reason Amiga users are ridiculed and considered "fanatics".

Delusional..... :roflmao:

[dammy]

Reality for you maybe, but I unlike the majority have no need for a mobile phone or an all singing all dancing super duper PC or Mac. I did ask folk for advice in a recent thread for advice on buying my first ever PC and thank you to all who responded with lots of helpful and useful advice.

However having spent a couple of days this week trailing around the shops I can now safely say that the 2 grand I was willing to spend shall be staying in my pocket.

Two grand, for a desktop?  Most I have ever spent was $768 and that was for a dual core (nVidia gfx) laptop.  Unless your VAT is ungodly high, there isn't much of a reason to spend much more then $600 for a machine that should be impressive in performance.

[the_leander]

I still remember the thread Dennis van Weeren announced his minimig in.  Full of disbelievers and downright rude individuals and neg-heads.

If you're interested franko the link is here: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=19361

A first time poster announces something that defeated dev giants of the community past...

Given the sheer number of scams and vapour projects this community has been subject to over the past decade, the reaction he received is perfectly understandable. Indeed it was in part due to this that the dev took the decision to announce it only when it was ready to roll.

[the_leander]

Two grand, for a desktop?  Most I have ever spent was $768 and that was for a dual core (nVidia gfx) laptop.  Unless your VAT is ungodly high, there isn't much of a reason to spend much more then $600 for a machine that should be impressive in performance.

As was pointed out by many when this thing was first announced, two grand plants you firmly into professional workstation or hardcore gamer territory. So you're up against two way 8 core systems with ram into the double figures, RAID or SSDs and top of the line graphics cards, probably in SLI.

Suddenly, a dualcore PPC motherboard seems woefully underpowered compared to the competition.

[dammy]

Just my two cents.

Interesting, I was not aware billion dollar Corps were competing in the Amiga Arena. I do know most New gadgets and Ideas are created by the "little Guy" as you call them.

What is this Amiga Arena that your talking about?   Lets look at all three Amiga-like OSs, AROS, MOS, and OS4.  All three use atleast AMD gfx driver's and some use drivers for nVidia and Intel.  You got a garage company that can roll out GFX cores that are above what the three above gfx chip guys are producing currently?  I'm all ears about that one.  Lets talk about CPUs with Intel, AMD plus IBM and Motorola, what garage company is cranking out CPUs that are next generation compared to what their current generations are?  Again, I'm all ears about that as well.

My point is that no garage company is going to be able to pull ahead of what those giants are spending on yearly R&D budgets.

[spihunter]

People were creating computer companies out of the garage in the late 70's 80's because home computing was "new" then. It's too far gone now to do it. desktop computers are in the decline now in favor of smartphones and cloud computing.

The people starting companies out of they're garage these days are building transporters & holodecks!!!!

What is this Amiga Arena that your talking about?   Lets look at all three Amiga-like OSs, AROS, MOS, and OS4.  All three use atleast AMD gfx driver's and some use drivers for nVidia and Intel.  You got a garage company that can roll out GFX cores that are above what the three above gfx chip guys are producing currently?  I'm all ears about that one.  Lets talk about CPUs with Intel, AMD plus IBM and Motorola, what garage company is cranking out CPUs that are next generation compared to what their current generations are?  Again, I'm all ears about that as well.

My point is that no garage company is going to be able to pull ahead of what those giants are spending on yearly R&D budgets.

[dammy]

As was pointed out by many when this thing was first announced, two grand plants you firmly into professional workstation or hardcore gamer territory. So you're up against two way 8 core systems with ram into the double figures, RAID or SSDs and top of the line graphics cards, probably in SLI.

Suddenly, a dualcore PPC motherboard seems woefully underpowered compared to the competition.

It's unlikely to be only $2K USD.  Looking at what the Beta mobo owners are going to be paying for mobo and RAM, and with a discount, one could see the final retail version of the A1X1K hitting around $3K USD.

[the_leander]

It's unlikely to be only $2K USD.  Looking at what the Beta mobo owners are going to be paying for mobo and RAM, and with a discount, one could see the final retail version of the A1X1K hitting around $3K USD.

Hmm, throw in a decent pair of 21ins monitors and a good quality set of 7.1 surround sound speakers into the mix as well then.

[amiga92570]

What is this Amiga Arena that your talking about?   Lets look at all three Amiga-like OSs, AROS, MOS, and OS4.  All three use atleast AMD gfx driver's and some use drivers for nVidia and Intel.  You got a garage company that can roll out GFX cores that are above what the three above gfx chip guys are producing currently?  I'm all ears about that one.  Lets talk about CPUs with Intel, AMD plus IBM and Motorola, what garage company is cranking out CPUs that are next generation compared to what their current generations are?  Again, I'm all ears about that as well.

My point is that no garage company is going to be able to pull ahead of what those giants are spending on yearly R&D budgets.

Ok, good point on GFX chips although that was not the point of the discussion I responded to. But most all companies manufacturing pc boards and systems use chips that are available to anyone. My observation was to your point regarding Amiga related hardware specifically X1000 and software which was being discussed. Nvidia, ATI, and Intel are not competing for amiga market share, but anyone can surely buy and use their chips and video boards. Drivers are created by individuals. So yes, in the Amiga world the "Little guy can compete".

[Franko]

@Ajlwalker

I still remember the thread Dennis van Weeren announced his minimig in.  Full of disbelievers and downright rude individuals and neg-heads.

If you're interested franko the link is here: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=19361

Thanks for pointing that thread out to me, most interesting that certain folk who were posting positive views back then, are now contradicting themselves here & now by saying it can't be done anymore as this is no longer the 80s, it's the old glass half empty mentality rearing it's ugly head once again.

@Methuselas

I'm sorry, but the "2 grand" you would have spent on a machine now, is *VASTLY* superior to "what you had when you purchased your very first A1000 or C64".

This is the *ENTIRE* problem with the Amiga Scene now. You're trapped in this fantasy world that someone, some tiny, obscure company consisting of less than a dozen employees is going to create the "new" Amiga that will take over the world, when IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN! Eventually all our miggies won't be able to cut it when it comes to "computing". Facts of live. The Amiga is getting left behind in the dust and people, like yourself, like Hyperion, who insist that going against the "modern computing" direction is the right one, are the reason Amiga users are ridiculed and considered "fanatics".

Dunno what your havering about, I never mentioned anything about looking for a vastly superior machine. I have already said elsewhere on this forum that I don't expect anyone ever to release a new Amiga that would rival the power of todays modern systems. As for your incredibly stupid comment that 'all our miggies wont be able to cut it when it comes to computing', what a load of utter gobshite you speak.

I have said before and I'll say it again for someone like you who obviously can't understand simple english, I am more than happy to use the Amiga for ALL my computing needs and will continue to do so, for as long as I have the money to keep them going and am able to buy parts/replacements to do me the rest of my lifetime, understand now, numpty... :rolleyes:

PS: Apart from the spelling mistake in your 'Facts of live' ! bit, if you believe that what you say is a 'Fact of life', then you a total dunderheid as well... :biglaugh:

@dammy

Two grand, for a desktop? Most I have ever spent was $768 and that was for a dual core (nVidia gfx) laptop. Unless your VAT is ungodly high, there isn't much of a reason to spend much more then $600 for a machine that should be impressive in performance.

Not being that much interested in PCs or Macs (even more so now), I didn't have any idea what it would cost to buy a decent set up. I would have been quite happy to spend 2 grand or more on such a set up as money doesn't mean that much to me, but unfortunately nothing I saw or was shown impressed me enough to part with the cash. I've came to the conclusion that I'm happier to spend the money on keeping my Amiga's going.