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Re: Rochester, NY teacher gets suspended for washing students mouth out with soap
« Reply #59 from previous page: June 13, 2004, 06:17:41 PM »
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Oh come on Mike, isn't that a little alarmist? Parents who spank for instance don't suddenly beat their children to death. Everyone knows there's a line you can't cross, and one drop of liquid soap in the mouth of some loudmouthed f*ckwit assh*le student isn't crossing it, IMO.
Ah, but we do see some parents bashing the crap out of their kids. It's a very hard line to draw. I never said that all teachers who use a drop of soap will go overboard, just that not all teachers will realize where the line is. And what happens if the kid continues to swear, do we escalate to two drops, then three? Same goes with parents and corporal punishment. Many of those who cause severe bodily harm to kids don't seem to understand why what they're doing is so bad.

Also, this form of punishment is rahter stupid. How do we know the kid doesn't have ADHD? That's not the right way to handle such a case. What if the kid is abused or neglected at home? This sort of treatment only re-enforces another negative self image for the kid. These kinds of treatments should be considered as nothing more then a quick fix with short term results. It's pretty much a guarantee that the kid will swear again.

I still believe that positive re-enforcement is the answer.

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Reading some of your replies, some of you guys act as if the kid attempted to kill a fellow student! I remember in grade school we'd use nasty words all the time. None of us got soap in our mouths, and hey, we didn't turn out to be mass murderers or anything.

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I heard from a relative in NY that the term used by the kid against the little girl was "Shut the f*ck up you stupid c*msucking sl*t"

In my time, that would have meant expulsion for the kid, yikes!

[edit- and the parents of the kid probably would have done more than wash his MOUTH out with soap!!!]
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seems like a borderline case to me
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
seems like a borderline case to me


heh, at least it was his mouth!

I could never understand how some parents give their kids enema's as punishment. Is it just me, or is that a little wierd?  :inquisitive:
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T_Bone wrote:
I could never understand how some parents give their kids enema's as punishment. Is it just me, or is that a little wierd?  :inquisitive:


Umm... Why would anyone want to do that? :-?

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T_Bone wrote:
I could never understand how some parents give their kids enema's as punishment. Is it just me, or is that a little wierd?  :inquisitive:


More than a little weird.

Though there have been quacks over the centuries who have said an enema a day has wonderful bodily benefits.

 

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T_Bone wrote:
I could never understand how some parents give their kids enema's as punishment. Is it just me, or is that a little wierd?  :inquisitive:
yes. very weird!
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KennyR wrote:
I don't want to sound like an old conservative here, but I wish teachers would do that more often. :)

And soap isn't poisonous, not is it physical or sexual assault...nor is it prolonged psychological assault...so I don't see any basis for the suspension. Apart from typical lawsuitism. (to coin a phrase)

Agreed! It isn't entirely politically correct, but that kid seems to have deserved it! :-)

BTW, who are the sick freaks who gives enemas as punishment? :-x
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
She wasn't assaulted, not in a physical way nor in a mental way.
The kid could as well set in the corner for an hour as punishment.
as I said earlier, if one's attacked physically, it's perfectly legal to defend yourself with violence.


I Would just like to point out that at my high school, a gym teacher/wrestling coach was threatened by a student who was wielding a knife.  The coach took the student to the ground, and placed him in a hold until security arrived. The coach never struck the student or used any aggressive behavior.

The following day the teacher was promptly fired.  

I don't know how it is in Europe, but in Michigan and Illinois, you cannot touch a child no matter what.

The school systems here have made that a provision to protect themselves from countless lawsuits and threats of lawsuits from inadequate parents who continually want teachers to raise their kids for them, and at the same time never believe that their child could ever do anything wrong no matter what.

This is the country that is also currently having a lawsuit against a school by the salutatorian who felt she should have been valedictorian and that it was unfair.

If you don't live in a lawsuit-happy country you're lacking a bit of perspective on the issue when it comes to American schools.
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Wain wrote:
I Would just like to point out that at my high school, a gym teacher/wrestling coach was threatened by a student who was wielding a knife.  The coach took the student to the ground, and placed him in a hold until security arrived. The coach never struck the student or used any aggressive behavior.

The following day the teacher was promptly fired.
:-o Now THAT is utterly wrong.
If one's violating the law (with threatening with a knife)
you're OBLIGATED to do alike what the teacher did, or something alike, if you can.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
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Wain wrote:
I Would just like to point out that at my high school, a gym teacher/wrestling coach was threatened by a student who was wielding a knife.  The coach took the student to the ground, and placed him in a hold until security arrived. The coach never struck the student or used any aggressive behavior.

The following day the teacher was promptly fired.
:-o Now THAT is utterly wrong.
If one's violating the law (with threatening with a knife)
you're OBLIGATED to do alike what the teacher did, or something alike, if you can.


I agree. The teacher did the right thing in that situation because to be honest, his life was at stake. BTW Speel, do you have a life away from this site? It's like you're posting every minute of evry day on these forums and i've only posted a few times in the last couple of weeks.  :lol: