Rochester, NY teacher gets suspended for washing students mouth out with soap

Speel, what in the name of the Toronto Skydome are you going on about?

Social activities have nought to do with this. This thread is about SCHOOLS. Whether or not KennyR is less sociable than you has nothing to do with what this debate is about. If KennyR didn't go to school, then your 'Ivory Tower' comment might have some credibility.

As for dealing with conflicts in a group, it looks like you are the one who has no idea how to deal with such things. If we tried problem solving as described in your posts, we'd be practically waving goodbye to freedom from criminals.

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It's not the rights of criminals that should have any importance. The emphasis should be on the rights of victims, and the rights or ordinary people not to become victims.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

I've never seen such an amount of lame non-arguments before here on Aorg, particularly from KennyR and JonoPike.

The why don't you follow your own advice?

[Speelgoedmannetje]

As it stands, you are the black sheep of the flock who posted in the thread.

wrong, other than the others, I am no sheep.

Oh, and I'm 18, not 8

You're talking about your IQ?


[lynch the bugger!]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

As it stands, you are the black sheep of the flock who posted in the thread.

wrong, other than the others, I am no sheep.

Oh, and I'm 18, not 8

You're talking about your IQ?

You talk about lame offtopic arguements by me and KennyR when you are trying to divert attention from your losing arguement with crap like that.  :lol:

As for 'Sheep' I was being metaphorical. You are the odd one out in this thread - and you haven't exactly done a grade A job of keeping your cool under pressure.  :-P

[cecilia]

my mother was a teacher for a LOOOONG time.
Teachers do not want to be police. the good ones want to teach.

the problem is that some kids have problems that cannot be solved by school, teachers and sometimes even their parents (assuming they even care).

the right thing to do is take these kids and place them in therapy (or whatever we may create to cope with their issues).

alot of people shouldn't be parents because they simply have no interest (or skills) in raising children. children need security and direction. if they don't get that during the earliest years (even before school starts), things will simply get worse when they are in school.

[Glaucus]

Yeah, sure, in this particular case it's no big deal. But if you allow this kind of treatment other teachers will only take it further. Eventually you'll have cases where kids will get injured. It's hard to enforce a rule where it's okay to use only a drop of soap, and no more. It's either all or nothing. If you allow her to use one drop, what happens when the next teacher decides to empty the entire soap dispenser in a kids mouth? It's a slippery slope, best to stay off it completely.

  - Mike

[mikeymike]

cecilia wrote:
my mother was a teacher for a LOOOONG time.
Teachers do not want to be police. the good ones want to teach.

I agree, though I think teachers would be more comfortable with their role if they felt that their school/media/law was more on their side.

the problem is that some kids have problems that cannot be solved by school, teachers and sometimes even their parents (assuming they even care).

the right thing to do is take these kids and place them in therapy (or whatever we may create to cope with their issues).

Again, horses for courses.  This sort of thing will work with some kids.

alot of people shouldn't be parents because they simply have no interest (or skills) in raising children. children need security and direction.

Yep, totally agree.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

JonoPike wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

As it stands, you are the black sheep of the flock who posted in the thread.

wrong, other than the others, I am no sheep.

Oh, and I'm 18, not 8

You're talking about your IQ?

You talk about lame offtopic arguements by me and KennyR when you are trying to divert attention from your losing arguement with crap like that.  :lol:

As for 'Sheep' I was being metaphorical. You are the odd one out in this thread - and you haven't exactly done a grade A job of keeping your cool under pressure.  :-P

hmmmmmmmmm.... kebab....

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Glaucus wrote:
Yeah, sure, in this particular case it's no big deal. But if you allow this kind of treatment other teachers will only take it further. Eventually you'll have cases where kids will get injured. It's hard to enforce a rule where it's okay to use only a drop of soap, and no more. It's either all or nothing. If you allow her to use one drop, what happens when the next teacher decides to empty the entire soap dispenser in a kids mouth? It's a slippery slope, best to stay off it completely.

  - Mike

Exactly my point

[mikeymike]

Soap is quite slippery too.

[KennyR]

Glaucus wrote:
It's either all or nothing. If you allow her to use one drop, what happens when the next teacher decides to empty the entire soap dispenser in a kids mouth? It's a slippery slope, best to stay off it completely.

Oh come on Mike, isn't that a little alarmist? Parents who spank for instance don't suddenly beat their children to death. Everyone knows there's a line you can't cross, and one drop of liquid soap in the mouth of some loudmouthed f*ckwit assh*le student isn't crossing it, IMO.

Soap on the anus...that would be crossing it. But you have to join the army for that kind of treatment.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Everyone knows there's a line you can't cross

That's one of my points. People do not know that. That's why humanity invented law.

[KennyR]

Ah Speel, but your line is "don't do a f*cking thing to those students or you're fired and your teaching days are over." That's not any realistic line, although the law shares your view, which is why there aren't many teachers left, and less by the year.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

No, my line is "keep yer claws off each other".

[mikeymike]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

Everyone knows there's a line you can't cross

That's one of my points. People do not know that. That's why humanity invented law.

It's also a reason why there are multiple levels of punishment for crimes, because humanity has a sense of moderation.