Let the "Amiga Spirit" rest in peace.

[Colin_Camper]

" So when you walk into a room you introduce yourself with a fart and not a handshake? context and timing are everything."

You have obviously never been to the U.K. then....... :-)

[AmiDelf]

You know.

What you've done now. Is giving me even more kick to kick your as away far, far away. Amiga dosent need more trolls like you. I am happy with it and for me Amiga will allways be the nr.1 computer ever made! And nothing can change that!

Regards,
Michal

[bloodline]

We all love the Amiga that's why we are all here. But this guy is speaking the truth. There is no reason to be ashamed of your feelings for the Amiga, thus no need to lash out at this guy.

Some people here are like religous fundamentalists :-(

[zudobug]

I agree with the facts that have been spliced in to this. It's a bitter pill to swallow but there it is. The opinions which make up the majority of the post are just that, and I don't (want to?) agree with them. Let me break it down:

1. The Amiga, once the watermark of multimedia and Commodore's last hope for a piece of the desktop, no longer has a seat in the consumer marketplace. The tinkerers have Linux, creative types MacOS X, and the suits Windows.

Fact! I don't think anyone can seriously argue that any of this is false. Commodore's Amiga no longer has a seat in the consumer marketplace. Those other OS's do exist and cater for different markets.

Forget about the enterprise/server/embedded/game markets, too. AmigaOS will not bring with it distinguishing characteristics, features, or marketing muscle of any significance.

Opinion! And it's possibly true that Amiga Inc/Hyperion/KMOS (whoever) has not the marketing muscle. But the jibe at the characteristics and features of the OS is a little below the belt and possibly a "troll line" intended purely to upset.

2. The current miniscule AmigaOS market demand is fueled by overzealous "old timers", nostalgic for a brand and the emotion it invoked in earlier years, college lads, and borderline infantile internationals who yearn for the revival of their gaming machine.

Erm... Dare I say Fact. But this is very badly worded. I don't think this is such a negative thing either, although YourPal obviously does. There is currently only a miniscule AmigaOS market demand - can't argue with that. And with the exception of the final category, which could be more kindly worded, that seems about right.

The rest of that paragraph is fairly insulting opinion so I wont bother quoting it. Why be humiliated by once having good feelings for your Amiga? It's true maybe sometimes people get a little over-emotional, but that's understandable when looking at the way computing is going, and the way things could have been had Commodore not screwed up.

Point 3 isn't really a point based on any fact, it just makes the prediction that no-one will invest in the new OS and no outsiders will care. But I thought there was some commercial interest? I guess we'll have to wait and see. A good thing about the Amiga legacy is that a lot of outsiders were once insiders who moved on. If OS4 revives that good feeling and spirit, I don't find it too fantastical to believe some of those people will come back. I guess it's up to the community to spread the word and see where it goes.

I must say it seems a bit odd that we get messages like this just as things seem to be progressing. And a sudden influx of what appears to be trolling and just plain sillyness. It could be part of a campaign to dishearten members of the community and at the same time put off anyone searching the web for - this thing they've heard about a revival of their old favourite computer platform. Let's hope they aren't put off.

-zudo

[cecilia]

A good thing about the Amiga legacy is that a lot of outsiders were once insiders who moved on.

exactly! In fact I don't think most people realize how extensive all those former users are!
nearly everyone - no exageration - who are doing special effects and graphics in los angeles started with amigas. and many of those folks have worked on projects that have gotten awards (like emmys).

several members of Area51 were part of the LA Toaster group - including a former prresident.

alot of these people used Lightwave, and still do.

people were forced to use others platforms because the companies who claimed to own amiga dropped the ball, but the Amiga Spirit still lives inside these people. it certainly lives in me.
and I don't care about being popular, or having the entire world kiss Amiga's A55, or any of that nonsense.
Amiga made a giant impact on my career and my life and unlike some people, I remain loyal to those that have done me good.
simple as that.

[sir_inferno]

Colin_Camper wrote:
" So when you walk into a room you introduce yourself with a fart and not a handshake? context and timing are everything."

You have obviously never been to the U.K. then....... :-)

:lol:  :lol:

[HopperJF]

I agree with Zudobug

[Framiga]

@YourPal

Amen . . Father . . NOW we can finally live in peace

[Magic-Merl]

Just thought I would chip in here.

Everyone is banging on about the Amiga's past and market shares.  The market OS4 should target is the home market.  Let's face it.  Thats where it used to be and it was as dynamic a system then as it is now.

How much software runs on the Amiga platform that simply performs faster on a Linux & Windoze box.

Yes Amiga hardware is now outdated thats why we have new hardware.  Yes the OS is showing it's age, thats whay we have an updated OS.

Get with it people.

Sad people with far flung theories and misconceptions of a community of people are known as biggots.  Don'r reply to trolls like this.  Ignore them, they will go away......only to return another day. (And they can eat their word too.)

[Plaz]

Let me add to the list of things you must also
painfully accept as truth and act upon..

Stop driving your classic car. Stop buying parts, stop putting fuel and oil into an old heap that just wastes it. Stop posting about it on news groups, crash it into a tree and leave it for dead. It's just a waste of time, money and resources. Get a two seater hybrid and be happy.

Stop listening to your oldie music favorites. The recordings are poor by today's standards, the lyrics are out of date, and the singer/s or group is probably dead. Even if they are still alive, the crowd at a reunion concert will be filled with old timers with beer bellies and/or bald heads and bad teeth. Buy the latest top 40 stuff on digital media, even if it does give you a headache, insult your intelligence and offend you multi-cultural friends.

Stop visiting or corresponding with your elderly relatives. They're really old and haven’t contributed any thing useful to the open source or commercial software libraries in years. Get adopted by programmer from India and spend your time reading warm letters written in the latest "spaghetti code" style.

Stop any other hobbies you currently practice that have been bad mouthed on an internet news group. You'll feel better I suppose once you've caved to the opinions of lurkers that know nothing about you.

Get rid of your biological pets. They are inefficient. Replace them with the latest robotic pets that require far less maintenance. And you can flash there personalities with the latest code when you're tired of them.

The list goes on. But you can see how much happier you will be if you just let all things past go and live in the now. Hey, guess what. OS4 and MorphsOS are now, so their ok too.

 :-D  :-P

This stuff is a hobby, diversion, simple past time. But some actually manage to make a career and money out of it. So? Join in or go home. Posting depression is not a health past time.

Sometimes I just can't resist.  :lol:
"Early to mid old-timer"
Plaz

[minator]

I think the original poster makes some accurate points but is saying that the Amiga as a hobby is worthless.

I don't think it's a very good machine for "work" but then it never was a professional machine apart from in some specialist areas.

It's not so much a troll, more a cleverly worded flamebait.

[B00tDisk]

YourPal wrote:
Years of battles in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy prove arguments from the tinkerers and techies won't convince the *market* that the Amiga is worth the silicon its built on!

USENET !=the world.

[YourPal]

Nothing I wrote in my original post was crafted specifically to start a flamewar.  I'm not part of the "redline" or "blueline" -- I don't even know what those are.  The post is an amalgam of my observations accumulated over the period of Amiga history from 1985 to present .  If you don't believe a word of it, or take offense because it challenges your view, I'm glad you disagree with me!  I *hope* AmigaOS gets its due.  But given the facts and history of this platform, can't you see where it's headed?

One of you said "fuck the market".  I don't think everyone here agrees with that viewpoint.  Even little Linux thrives today by filling a need in that market.  Or would you all be happy mirroring the community of C64 users who conduct their trade at 25-people "fests" and 2 person mail-order businesses?  (Ring a bell to those of you lucky enough to have been in this field back in the late 60's early 70's?)  

Usenet != the word.  That's not the point.  (And please don't flatter yourselves by thinking this little BBS is any way different from comp.sys.amiga.*).  As technology enthusiasts, we can argue until the Second Coming about the merits of AmigaOS's way of doing things.  As the boing-ball rises to the top, if it doesn't solve a problem, fill a need, or create demand for itself in the market it will always be a hacker's toy with no respect from consumers.  

Comparing the Amiga to a classic car... that doesn't invalidate my original observations.  To quote a famous Amiga personality, "Applepie and Motherhood".  Automobile restoration reaches a critical mass that's economically viable.  Yet the comparison validates the relegation of the AmigaOS to a hacker and hobbyist endeavor.  SizeOf (automobileConsumers) > SizeOf (classicCarFans) > SizeOf (amigaZealots).

Do you want to see the AmigaOS' legacy continue?  It won't happen as a new platform.  Cutting-edge and clever technology does comprise the OS, however; and, that is why the collective work that is AmigaOS today should be dissected and sold to interested third parties for incorporation into their new technologies.   I'm an advocate of dreams and making them reality.  Success in that requires the experience and logic to know when to let go of one that's had its time so that another may come to fruition.  

I know you're ready to hurl more net-speak insults.  That's just great.  When you click "submit", do keep in mind I loved the Amiga as much as you.  I've got an A1000 right behind me serving as a reminder that elegant beauty can see daylight, but not everything that deserves to live forever does -- virtue, ingenuity, and righteousness notwithstanding.

[zudobug]

That's great. But what do you achieve by posting such negative views in an amiga discussion forum, used mainly by the sort of people you feel such contempt for?

I don't think you're going to change any minds here. And even if you do, it won't have any effect on the people working on OS4 or new Amiga or Amiga inspired h/w.

All you're doing is pissing people off.

It's obvious you've given some thought to your arguments, and I even agree with some of it, but you are directing it at the wrong people. It's just gonna start more fights, and incase you haven't noticed, we don't need any more.

We are not hurting anyone by keeping the dream alive (except maybe each other.) So either join in with something more positive or leave us be.

-zudo

[YourPal]

I can't be held responsible for how you react to my observations.  Getting "pissed of" is a choice you make, beyond my control.  Some folks here agree with me.  

[zudobug]

Sure.

I don't mean to sound so miserable.

I can believe that you are trying to help in one way or another. But I've seen a lot of people say similar things purely to rough up a few feathers. So I take some convincing.

As I suggested, I agree in part to some of the things you said. But if I totally agreed with you, personally I wouldn't bother coming here at all! Which is why I have a hard time understanding what brings you here.

That's all.

Anyway, take care. Don't take the insults too personally. You gotta admit it's understandable that some people are reacting the way they are. But I'm sure if you try being a little more constructive and less insulting you'll find we are mostly a decent bunch of zealots.

-zudo