Do we have AMIGA OS anymore?

[bloodline]

Since OS4 is based on a previous AOS, WHY is it still lagging behind MOS??!!

As many have tried to explain, the original sources are for all intents (excuse the pun) and purposes worthless. All credit to Hyperion, they have done a lot of work to get OS4 ready.

People seem to think the original sources have some magic incantantion written into them... they don't, they are of far less value than the ROM Kernel Manuals.

[IonDeluxe]

All of this is banannas over nothing.
Amiga as it has been, has been bought and sold many many times since it began, any one of those companies could have turned amiga into something else.In fact, AMiga Inc has turned Amiga into something very different from what it used to be.Compare an A1 to an amiga 500 for instance.

Remember also that Amiga Inc used to be call Amino.

I think what is freaking SHADES out is that KMOS did not buy the entire company and is worries that it will just use what it bought as "spare parts" for something else.

That seems illogical to me as Linux and other OS's are more advanced and a different design so there is little value in doing so IMO.Forcing everyone to change all thier system software for a free os would likely be financial foolishness.

KMOS, it seems, has given assureances it will continue development of the Amiga platform, so there is no need to worry about it.

[AccyD]

IonDeluxe wrote:
I think what is freaking SHADES out is that KMOS did not buy the entire company and is worries that it will just use what it bought as "spare parts" for something else.

It does give the impression - despite the sales pitch from AInc - that they are having a fire sale early, and does not bode well for the company.

KMOS, it seems, has given assureances it will continue development of the Amiga platform, so there is no need to worry about it.

But what is the use of the OS to them, whilst the market is still dwindling? How long are they likely to continue to develop for a platform that is beginning to fragment more each day? Despite their high reserves of cash, they still have responsibilities to their shareholders to give a good return on each dime/penny that they spend. Now that AInc have disposed of the OS, what incentive is there for them to continue developing any new & modern hardware?

If KMOS choose to develop a new OS which runs on the IBM compatible PC's the AOS is likely to become another OS2 casulty of the Windows domination.

Also, any brand awareness that the OS presently has (due to large numbers of ex-users) will disappear if the new OS is just marketed as another alternative to a Windows system.

[Tigger]

IonDeluxe wrote:


I think what is freaking SHADES out is that KMOS did not buy the entire company and is worries that it will just use what it bought as "spare parts" for something else.

That seems illogical to me as Linux and other OS's are more advanced and a different design so there is little value in doing so IMO.Forcing everyone to change all thier system software for a free os would likely be financial foolishness.

KMOS, it seems, has given assureances it will continue development of the Amiga platform, so there is no need to worry about it.

Settop boxes, embedded systems, kiosks etc.  The OS has a small footprint, (even the PPC version) they would own it and they can enhance it to fit their needs.  Given Garry's background thats much more likely use for an OS then an OS for an expensive (ie A1) computer.   However I still stand by my thought that this chapter in amiga history will be known in the future as Operation: Shell Game.
    -Tig

[B00tDisk]

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[DaveP]

@Tigger

Something according to your own yardstick that both Amiga Inc and Bill Buck has indulged in.

Pretory(bankrupt)/Thendic France(bankrupt)/Thendic Germany(bankrupt)/Genesi

Follow the financial transfers, and even the attempted transfer of rights of the Amiga/Thendic contract.

Operation Shell Game indeed.

Pop quiz: Which declared bankrupt ex PhaseV co owner's close friend holds shares in Genesi on his behalf?

Or maybe, what you term a "game" is a normal part of running a business.

[IonDeluxe]

But what is the use of the OS to them, whilst the market is still dwindling? How long are they likely to continue to develop for a platform that is beginning to fragment more each day? Despite their high reserves of cash, they still have responsibilities to their shareholders to give a good return on each dime/penny that they spend. Now that AInc have disposed of the OS, what incentive is there for them to continue developing any new & modern hardware?

If KMOS choose to develop a new OS which runs on the IBM compatible PC's the AOS is likely to become another OS2 casulty of the Windows domination.

Then what would have been the point of buying it in the first place?It does not make financial sense.

Settop boxes, embedded systems, kiosks etc. The OS has a small footprint, (even the PPC version) they would own it and they can enhance it to fit their needs. Given Garry's background thats much more likely use for an OS then an OS for an expensive (ie A1) computer. However I still stand by my thought that this chapter in amiga history will be known in the future as Operation: Shell Game.

That is already the plan, by selling the hardware to customers who want these systems then the cost of production f boards goes down...DUH. Its all tied in.

WHat has changed from the past to now ? nothing, absolutely nothing in regards to what any owner of the OS could have done at ANY time.

This is much ado about nothing

[crown]

Amiga inc is not Amiga. Hyperion is not Amiga. Genesi is not Amiga. Never was - never will be.

We are Amiga.

Don´t forget.

[itix]

Pop quiz: Which declared bankrupt ex PhaseV co owner's close friend holds shares in Genesi on his behalf?

Must be me.

[cgutjahr]

I wonder why people are getting worried because of the KMOS deal.

For the first time in about eight years, somebody bought the rights for AmigaOS because of the actual product, not to increase the buyer's patent portfolio (Gateway) or because of the trademarkas (Amino).

Why the heck would KMOS spend money on AmigaOS (remember, that's all they acquired) just to dismiss it and replace it with Linux next year?

[Magic-Merl]

Crown. you are right.

Lets not harp on about the feel of the OS.  the OS is only part of the soul of the Amiga.  The community is the rest.

The ease of use of the OS is simply our interface with a machine.

The original machine was magnificent.  But the architecture would not stand the test of time these days.  We have been needing to move on for some years now, and many of us have. Lets not forget that we were beyond what the competition could offer at the time.  Now we are behind the times and it's time to catch up.  To catch up we need an up-to-date OS.  Won't be long now.  But once the OS is up and running (and released!) we will have the entire community behind it & a significant product to be developed for.  Development is the key to the future.  Once OS4 is a product, a successful product, companies will be cueing to develop for it.  Drivers, games and apps.  The truth is, the drivers will be so simple to develop that companies would be foolish to miss out on the business opportunity.
I, for sure, will develop for OS4 +. Maybe nothing that you would consider commercial, but develop software I will.  I and many others feel this way.   I have programmed in 68000  & many other processors before it and have programmed in DE.  But the truth is, there is an OS which is begging to be developed for, and the community, as has always been the case, will develop for it.  BUT.  In order to be head and shoulders above the rest, we need to develop at least a generation beyond the PC.  When the PC developers were programming for the up and coming G-Force 6, we needed to be looking to G-Force 7.  While audio is bound to 24 bit, we need to be looking to 32/48 bit.  While PC programmers are looking to develop for the latest processors at the highest of Mhz, we need to sit back and say.......we have the Amiga  ....the computer will do the work, it will share it's resources.......... it will divide it's work to the components we have installed, we do not need to worry too much about how fast our machine is or how high the Mhz rate is.
One thing is for sure.......Amiga is the soul of the OS and the programming that simplifies it's processes.

Forget Amiga Inc.  They are gone.

Long live KMOS, because they own the soul of our Amiga's existance, not just the machine, but the community.  Only they can decide what is done with it in the future. I only hope that their intentions are good.  But I am sure that they will take it beyond what Amiga Inc. did with our beloved OS.

Please KMOS.  Additionally fund our OS so that you may see some return on your investment.  The hardware is already out into the public domain (A1).  Please see some sense and make our dreams come true, as a community.
Fund AROS (hardware covergence)so that we can develop for all hardware systems.
Allow Genesi to use your code, for financial reward.
Give us all what we have been waiting for, for may many many years.

Our beloved Amiga.

Our heritage, our vision, our hope, our joy.

[Tigger]

IonDeluxe wrote:

That is already the plan, by selling the hardware to customers who want these systems then the cost of production f boards goes down...DUH. Its all tied in.

WHat has changed from the past to now ? nothing, absolutely nothing in regards to what any owner of the OS could have done at ANY time.

First of all you are completely wrong.  Price of the boards sold by Eyetch is so little effected by units sold at this point that selling a bunch more to KMOS's customers isnt going to help.  The board is costing $800 to the customer, thats alot of people in the chain getting fat, thats not a quantity waiting to made so the boards get cheaper.  What has changed from the past?  The OS has been moved in a shell game from a bunch of incompetant posers (ie Bill & Fleecy) to a person who wants to build set top boxes or hide it from the creditors.   You think the OS will continue to grow if its used in set top boxes, thats true in some ways, but whats good for a settop box really isnt whats needed for a new OS.  If a new feature isnt useful in a settop box configuration, no need to add it, because thats where they will have the most/all of their customers.
   -Tig

         

[leirbag28]

SHADES wrote:
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@ MikeyMike
I do sort of dissagree with you. It's a hard one
Other peoples Ideas do matter greatly.
Well that does depend on the support network around my idea.
If I am the only one with my Idea of what AMIGA is, then I have no real future because it won't change how I wnat it to, it will change how the majority wants it to go. what I am trying to do is find out what the majority is and if it will "suit my needs" If it's a "Windows" type of path, I won't be an AMIGA person anymore.

i guess I want to find out what exactly I am looking for, to give myself some sort of platform to go forth with. At the moment, my support network is a whole bunch of different opperating systems all claiming to be "What I want" it's no longer what AMIGA want, they just sold themselves off and do other things like DE which will not suit my needs. If that's the case, I am not an AMIGA person anymore, I am a KMOS, or am I??

Will Aorg now become KMOS.org?

I do understand what your trying to say, I hope you see what I am trying to say now. I am trying to find my identity, my needs need to be fulfilled and I want a support network.
If I am to be a KMOS user, so be it. Time will tell, it's a sad day for our legacy if that's the case because now the Future is very un-known.
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I agree with you 100% BROTHER!!!  also, I  think that EYETECH, GENESI, and HYPERION don't realize that this is bad news for them too, in the long run! and after OS4.................who's gonna care about Amiga compatibility when their is No Amiga to be compatible with? and after the AmigaONE, then what?........If any of us True Amigans leave now............I percieve it means leave for good and just going WindowsXP..............I for one have given 15 years of my Life to the Amiga, for this?  all in the Hopes of a Ressurrected NEW Real AMIGA. What is a real Amiga?  it is a Set Of Custom Chips and Hardware working together with software made by the same single company, because they know their own hardware best. Thats an Amiga!

 I would buy a game console with a BoingBall on it wayyyyy before I buy some system that claims to be an Amiga with the name KMOS OS! slapping a logo on it doesn't mean squat to me if it isnt an Amiga...........Do you think I am gonna invest my money in some New AmigaDE cell phone? Puhleeeze! their is plenty of new and Tested technology out there already including software similar and better than AmigaDE. whats the point of the Amiga part in it?  

 Amiga selling off it's OS is the same as Microsoft allowing another company to make Windows, while they concentrate on BlueTooth Technology!   No company in their right mind would do such a thing (unless maybe Amiga Inc has something up their sleeve........I Hope)

But this is almost the End for me. Once all facts are confirmed....I'm Outta here!  Hello Windows!.I'm Freeeeee, I'm Freeeee!


Look for my Auctions soon on eBay!  including an Amiga600 with 68030 and and SX-1 and CD32 w/SX32Pro..Amiga 1000's and 500's and tons of what i am starting to consider trash!

Call me childish, but their was once a dream i had for the Amiga...........now it has apparently dissappeared.......Now its time to grow up and go Windows with the rest of the brainwashed world!


I am really upset, can't you tell? Amiga Inc... please listen and please be foward with your supporters..whats going on?

[Tomas]

Who cares, as long as the OS is good? :-D

But yeah.. I am also kinda worried about the future AmigaOS versions.. I have not heard much about how this will affect AOS 4.2 and so on..

[Tigger]

DaveP wrote:
@Tigger

Follow the financial transfers, and even the attempted transfer of rights of the Amiga/Thendic contract.

Operation Shell Game indeed.

I have seen no documentation that everything was not done within the law (thus not a shell game).  And everyone knew about it.  I dont see people lying in depositions,

Or maybe, what you term a "game" is a normal part of running a business.

No DaveP as you well know.  

The timetable as we now see it:

April 23 - Itek secretly acquires Amiga OS

April 30 - Bill McEwen says that Amiga OS is their most valuable asset in a sworn deposition in search of Amiga Incs money to pay Bolten Peck.  Garry Hare also is featured in this deposition, and also Bill McEwen first admits that Amiga Inc is broke.    

August 7 - Bill McEwen says the Amiga OS IP is an asset of great value in a deposition for the Thendic/Amiga lawsuit and that Amiga Inc has only $100 in their sole bankaccount.

Oct 7 - KMOS is formed

Oct 10 - KMOS secretly acquires Amiga OS from Itek

Feb 2003 - Amiga loses the lawsuit with Thendic

Feb 2003 - News of Garry Hare returns to the amiga community when posts that his company KMOS now owns Amiga OS begin to appear and are branded FUD.

Mar 2003 - KMOS and Amiga explain to the judge that KMOS owns Amiga OS and that Amiga has not owned it since April and they also release that as part of a press release.
     
See we have the secret sale of the most valuable asset of a company while they have financial judgements against them, all while the CEO lies about still possessing that assets, to both the washington state and the federal court system.    See how thats different then business as usual.
     -Tig

 

[AmiDelf]

We should all support MorphOS for now, until AmigaOS4 is out. Thats my words for this situation.

MorphOS is as fast as AmigaOS is on a real Amiga.


Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org