Do we have AMIGA OS anymore?

[bloodline]

SHADES wrote:
@mikeymike

I used to think I had a very clear idea. Now i'm not so sure.
I guess that's why I'm here though Mike.
i am trying to find exactly that out.
Hopefully enough people will bring forwad their ideas and help me find out exactly what I have now, and what may be for the future of a Platform that seems clearly is no longer AMIGA.

I guess what the Amiga Community has is a common past :-)

I expect we will all have a common future too... but that is just my pure specualtion ;-)

[mikeymike]

Hopefully enough people will bring forwad their ideas and help me find out exactly what I have now, and what may be for the future of a Platform that seems clearly is no longer AMIGA.

What I tried to say though was that it wasn't other peoples' ideas as to what Amiga is that matters, it's yours.

So, in your opinion, what makes an Amiga an Amiga?

[SHADES]

@bloodline

I hope so bud. I really do. Our past seems so very frgmented now, AROS, MORPH, QNX etc.. all of which seem to be "The Community"

It's a pitty that allthese different systems are not compatible with each other. Linux is fragmented too but at least I can run a Redhat program on a SUSE build.

We have a common past, what's happened to our future.

I really hope you're right Bloodline. I REALLY do. I want that soooo much.

[SHADES]

@ MikeyMike
I do sort of dissagree with you. It's a hard one
Other peoples Ideas do matter greatly.
Well that does depend on the support network around my idea.
If I am the only one with my Idea of what AMIGA is, then I have no real future because it won't change how I wnat it to, it will change how the majority wants it to go. what I am trying to do is find out what the majority is and if it will "suit my needs" If it's a "Windows" type of path, I won't be an AMIGA person anymore.

i guess I want to find out what exactly I am looking for, to give myself some sort of platform to go forth with. At the moment, my support network is a whole bunch of different opperating systems all claiming to be "What I want" it's no longer what AMIGA want, they just sold themselves off and do other things like DE which will not suit my needs. If that's the case, I am not an AMIGA person anymore, I am a KMOS, or am I??

Will Aorg now become KMOS.org?

I do understand what your trying to say, I hope you see what I am trying to say now. I am trying to find my identity, my needs need to be fulfilled and I want a support network.
If I am to be a KMOS user, so be it. Time will tell, it's a sad day for our legacy if that's the case because now the Future is very un-known.

[bloodline]

SHADES wrote:
@bloodline

I hope so bud. I really do. Our past seems so very frgmented now, AROS, MORPH, QNX etc.. all of which seem to be "The Community"

It's a pitty that allthese different systems are not compatible with each other. Linux is fragmented too but at least I can run a Redhat program on a SUSE build.

We have a common past, what's happened to our future.

I really hope you're right Bloodline. I REALLY do. I want that soooo much.

The future's bright... the future's... um.. err.. Black? :lol: At least it is in the SHADE!! ;-)

[SHADES]

@ Bloodline

Your so right!

My name is so appropriate to describe our community.
Now perhaps I should change it to Babel fish and I could make an OS to understand everyones idea.

you're a funny man Blood good sense of humor
I'm way to upset.

[Hattig]

Which has been the MorphOS and AROS attitude from the beginning. It still doesn't stop people discriminating against them, unfortunately.

I don't mind AROS at all, I've used it.

I think people have issues against personalities on either side otherwise, and that turns them against what they produce.

MorphOS is a Quark kernel that has not much in common with AmigaOS, with an AmigaOS box on top. AROS is a nice clean complete reimplementation (shame that the Palm port died). AmigaOS4 derives from the classic AmigaOS, brought up to date, however the legacy creates some issues, most notably graphics.library.

[Hattig]

Over the years the only different OS plan for Amiga that I liked and approved of was QNX. It had a nice, clean interface. It had some pretty cool technology that was quite Amiga like in many ways. It was interesting.

It wasn't AmigaOS of course. A "classic amiga in a box" would have had to be written. It wasn't an ideal future, but at the time everything looked terrible.

Now AmigaOS has settled into acceptance that (at least for the next few years) it will be minor OS for the enthusiasts that like it. It can sit quietly, getting more users and getting better developed, until it has a featureset that has caught up with modern OSen, and runs on hardware that is feature comparable to modern hardware. Then we can see what will happen.

[bloodline]

Hattig wrote:

Which has been the MorphOS and AROS attitude from the beginning. It still doesn't stop people discriminating against them, unfortunately.

I don't mind AROS at all, I've used it.

I think people have issues against personalities on either side otherwise, and that turns them against what they produce.

MorphOS is a Quark kernel that has not much in common with AmigaOS, with an AmigaOS box on top. AROS is a nice clean complete reimplementation (shame that the Palm port died). AmigaOS4 derives from the classic AmigaOS, brought up to date, however the legacy creates some issues, most notably graphics.library.

The Palm port isn't dead... it's just sleeping :-D Staf has even updated the sources to make then ARM ready... Hopefully some one with more PDA experience will join the team and push the port forward.

[bloodline]

SHADES wrote:
@ Bloodline

Your so right!

My name is so appropriate to describe our community.
Now perhaps I should change it to Babel fish and I could make an OS to understand everyones idea.

you're a funny man Blood good sense of humor
I'm way to upset.

I say cheer up :-) The Amiga Community is now more than ever about people. Computers are nothing more than commodities... they are like table salt... it doesn't matter which brand you buy they all do the same thing... some will claim one tastes better than the other ;-)

You have three choices... and that's a good thing, I would say none is "Amiga" and none are not "Amiga"... they are all choices that you can make.

Check them all out, and see which meets your needs. if none of them do... then don't panic... you share a common past with the rest of us here... so there is no reason why you should leave the community just beacuse you don't like the option available :-D

[KennyR]

Mikeymike wrote:
Perhaps because some MorphOS users started saying AmigaOS supporters were "just blindly following a name"?

That must have been shortly after MorphOS was attacked and viciously publicly discredited by Haeuser and Hermans, even before OS4 had even been started. Much of the untruth spoken then still persists today. The feud between Red and Blue is bitter and long-standing, don't make the mistake in believing it comes from MOS-user arrogance alone.

And it is frustrating, from a MOS user's point of view, to have MOS victimised and dismissed like that when it can do so many things, and yet when some trivial addition to OS4 is announced that MOS did about 3 years ago, there is a gif smiley overload and wall-to-wall congratulation.

[mikeymike]

and yet when some trivial addition to OS4 is announced that MOS did about 3 years ago, there is a gif smiley overload and wall-to-wall congratulation.

And yet you don't tire of the occasional snipe.  Do you think that maybe for the hatchet to be buried, that people just need to *stop* bickering, rather than suggest along the lines of "you stop first, then I'll stop"?

There are immature people on "all sides".  There will always be some, and always have been.  It's best just to ignore them, unless you'd like to be counted among them.

I do what I can as a moderator and as a user to keep it to a minimum, but it requires the majority to do their bit as well.

[T_Bone]

KennyR wrote:

And it is frustrating, from a MOS user's point of view, to have MOS victimised and dismissed like that when it can do so many things, and yet when some trivial addition to OS4 is announced that MOS did about 3 years ago, there is a gif smiley overload and wall-to-wall congratulation.

Heh, reminds me of the old days when PC users got soundblasters and VGA cards.

[MAD]

Hoya!

Hum... I would like to know...
Since OS4 is based on a previous AOS, WHY is it still lagging behind MOS??!!
When you analyse the situation, you could just think MOS is 99% based on AOS and has just minor things rewritten for PPC while OS4 is 100% from scratch...
It is a nonsense! Now that, because of all our heavy past, the Amiga is divided into TOO many realms, the fact the "official" OS is STILL being waited for does not really improve the situation.
Concurrence is, indeed, healthy, but for now MOS seems to be its own concurrent.

Boy, and please don't laugh, I wish I was a billionaire to buy the whole Amiga thing to inject LOADS of dough in it to REALLY do something and try to revive Jay's Dream!... :-(

It would be a big nonsense to have fought for so many years... for nothing.

Be funky

M A D

[T_Bone]

MAD wrote:
Hoya!

Hum... I would like to know...
Since OS4 is based on a previous AOS, WHY is it still lagging behind MOS??!!
When you analyse the situation, you could just think MOS is 99% based on AOS and has just minor things rewritten for PPC while OS4 is 100% from scratch...
It is a nonsense! Now that, because of all our heavy past, the Amiga is divided into TOO many realms, the fact the "official" OS is STILL being waited for does not really improve the situation.
Concurrence is, indeed, healthy, but for now MOS seems to be its own concurrent.

Boy, and please don't laugh, I wish I was a billionaire to buy the whole Amiga thing to inject LOADS of dough in it to REALLY do something and try to revive Jay's Dream!... :-(

It would be a big nonsense to have fought for so many years... for nothing.

Be funky

M A D

MOS is completely PPC, it HAS to be, as they can't distribute AOS binaries, it's not like they could ship old AmigaOS binaries and emulate them. (which is how AOS4 was developed, replacing 68k modules piece by piece)

[bloodline]

Since OS4 is based on a previous AOS, WHY is it still lagging behind MOS??!!

As many have tried to explain, the original sources are for all intents (excuse the pun) and purposes worthless. All credit to Hyperion, they have done a lot of work to get OS4 ready.

People seem to think the original sources have some magic incantantion written into them... they don't, they are of far less value than the ROM Kernel Manuals.