Do we have AMIGA OS anymore?

[SHADES]

For those of you who know me I am an avid AMIGA user. A huge fan of the OS and have been right back to when it's launch wowed everyone including me.

HOWEVER I really don't get all this.

AMIGA inc must be just desperate for money.
Why would you pour all this interest into developing an OS if your not going to see the product through to implementation. I would say AMIGA (the experience) probably has had it's last takeover.

I mean really, what's to stop the next owner from calling is Zorro OS or Microlin 4.0 or whatever. I mean, they don't HAVE to use the AMIGA name now do they? They could call it whatever the hell they want to now as they have all the rights to the source code and everything. It's no longer attached to AMIGA inc in any way. It may just become another Linux varient or emulator OS at some stage. Why not re-package it to Bills OS or whatever. Jay Minor?? Who's he? Carl S, huh? what the?

My question is, do we have an AMIGA anymore. ( Sad sad days.

It looks like it 's just about time to give up the fight and look for whatever can offer "the feel".

i know it may have benn the best way to carry it through to final development, but it's no longer an AMIGA product is it. What's next? Will Digital re-surface once bought by Intel?? Not likely is it.

I really have No IDEA what Fleecy is trying to do but whatever it is, it looks like it is not to resurect the AMIGA OS, feel, platform anymore. He may use the name still, but I think it just may be all over (
 

[Hattig]

KMOS have got the rights to use the name AmigaOS in relation to the next version of the operating system.

Not that I care. It could be called anything, as long as it was AmigaOS at heart (which it is).

What I suspect happened is that the investors were withholding money from Amiga Inc because they weren't happy with what Amiga Inc were doing. In the end they gave them the money they needed, in return for AmigaOS, the thing that was distracting Amiga Inc from what the investors were interested in, namely AmigaDE.

So Amiga Inc have nothing to do with the classic Amiga, or descendents of it now. They are doing the non-related AmigaDE stuff. Probably blocked from creating an AmigaOS version of it too now by the investors.

Maybe it will all be explained in next month's double-issue CAM.

[SHADES]

@ Hattig
If that's the case, what was all that about bringing the AMIGA OS into the future?? Getting away from legacy 68k stuff and creating an enviroment that AMIGA users would once again be happy to use.

There is no AMIGA OS any more really is there.
Let's just say if it was AMIGA OS at heart but called KMOS or whatever, what's to stop them from making their own DE KMOS DE
Amiga, is still dead. It's KMOS now
 
KMOS is now the platform to use. Forget AMIGA.

Now what?

What's to stop them from saying, forget KMOS OS, look at KMOS Linux. or new develpoment platform. Too much effort in re-coding Kmos to 64 bit, but Linux? well we have a working kernal and smoe of KMOS OS (formaly AMiga) was written and devleoped with Debian.

So now the choice is suddenly a Linux varient.

Do we all again, switch platforms to more of an AMIGA feel like Morph? and re- buy all our programs again? Wasn't Be OS a bit like AMIGA os, wasn't OS2 a bit like AMIGA os.

How much is a bit worth to AMIGA users.
A bit in computer terminology is not very much information at all to store.

Is that what we eventually will have left of the AMIGA feel.??

A bit like AMIGA . Hmmmm.

[KennyR]

Hattig wrote:
Not that I care. It could be called anything, as long as it was AmigaOS at heart (which it is).

Which has been the MorphOS and AROS attitude from the beginning. It still doesn't stop people discriminating against them, unfortunately.

[Druideck]

What I find weird is the discrimination, I totally
forget that I am using Morphos, it feels so much
like my Amiga's. (which i still have, a500,1200,4000)
It runs almost all my favorite apps as well, only much
faster. Nothing new can replace the feel and abilities
of my original Amigas with bitplanes and custom
chips. Computers change and to move on so must we.

[IonDeluxe]

@SHADES

Nothing has really changed. AOS4 is still being derived from earlier 68k versions, it is still Amiga.

KMOS bought the name, the rights and everything related to Amiga OS from Amiga Inc. so it is no different to when escom or gateway or Amiga Inc bought it.At any time they could have changed the name to : Happy pink bunnies with attitude os" if they had so desired.

Why is it such a big deal that Kmos now own it and Amiga Inc does not?

In some ways I think it is better as now the A1 and OS4 are now distanced from alot of the trouble that surrounds Amiga Inc.

[SHADES]

@ IronDeluxe


>>
Nothing has really changed. AOS4 is still being derived from earlier 68k versions, it is still Amiga.

KMOS bought the name, the rights and everything related to Amiga OS from Amiga Inc. so it is no different to when escom or gateway or Amiga Inc bought it.At any time they could have changed the name to : Happy pink bunnies with attitude os" if they had so desired.

Why is it such a big deal that Kmos now own it and Amiga Inc does not?



It is true...FOR NOW.

But what of the next version and the one after that?

They may just decide that 1 release is it. Now move on to something better like Linux varient. That's the big deal.
There is nothing stopping them from stopping production on an OS that even the pervious poster thinks is too dated for any real needs.

Morph OS is already there, OS2 was there is now gone. BE was there now gone. What's left is a non released version of the AMIGA opperating system that may just never get any further development after it has been released.
KMOS may just decide to use some of the ideas it had in a new Linuk vrient or just incorperate some of the "feel" into a KMOS DE thing or whtever. The thing is, the Parent company has now washed it's hands of the OS and basicly turned its attention to creating something else that may have an AMIGA feel.  Perhaps it could be Morph DE perhaps it could be SUN DE just as long as it has the feel.

Just what is that feel. Morph? Sun? Linux? BE? OS2? which!, u choose!

there is nothing to stop them from just letting Genisi or WHOEVER as you so put it, have the source code. Then we can have 29 more AMIGA feel OS's or whatever. Let's make it Public source!! Lets have 159 varients, all bicker about who has more "feel" . None of which are really compatible with each other. In the end, AMIGA is lost, There is no part AMIGA, just different feelings from different offerings. Like a mouse with an extra button, but it's an AMIGA button! ... or is it really? what really makes the button, is it the hardware or the software??  No, ?? it's the "feel"?

My God, it's a fantastic way to bury the OS once and for all.

I know, we can just go for the OS that has "the most feel" !!
What was that feeling again? Where's that mouse.....

I think I'm going to cry yup, might be....

So I wonder. Just what is AMIGA now that the company no longer wants the OS. What will make the AMIGA.
What is AMIGA? Kmos?

The .....wht?...the.......feel???...??

[SHADES]

Really everyone.
I'm not here to BAG the OS.
I am really scared. There is nothing to say it's going to survive now. Even the Parent company has decided to seperate itself from it's roots and give up on giving it's community the resurection.

So much for the phoenix Fleecy. What have you done!

[bloodline]

SHADES wrote:
Really everyone.
I'm not here to BAG the OS.
I am really scared. There is nothing to say it's going to survive now. Even the Parent company has decided to seperate itself from it's roots and give up on giving it's community the resurection.

So much for the phoenix Fleecy. What have you done!

That's something which hit me in 2000... It became apparent to me that there was no place for the Amiga platform in the traditional sense... but I certainly feel that security can be maintained through the use of Opensource software. After Amino had bouth the Rights to the Amiga Name (they did not buy the IP) and called their Mobile Phone Toy Extra Overhead Layer Amiga... I gave up with the idea that any company would ever produce a viable Amiga Platform... thus I decided to support an opesource effort...

This is where I am now, and I feel happy :-)

[Jope]

What good is it to worship the name?

Isn't it more important that the software you like still runs?

[mikeymike]

KennyR wrote:

Hattig wrote:
Not that I care. It could be called anything, as long as it was AmigaOS at heart (which it is).

Which has been the MorphOS and AROS attitude from the beginning. It still doesn't stop people discriminating against them, unfortunately.

Perhaps because some MorphOS users started saying AmigaOS supporters were "just blindly following a name"?

Anyway.  The name doesn't matter a great deal, except for a scrap of brand recognition, while the brand doesn't have a great deal of credibility to it, it's better than starting from scratch.  We also have an OS soon to be released.

[SHADES]

@ Mikeymike

I agree we do have AN os to be released.

Just what is that OS is now in question and what future it has.

We have a community to help.
AROS try to save the AMIGA spirit by trying to port it to standard WInetl platform.
MORPH try to save AMIGA spirit by going towards PPC Hardware.
KMOS try to save AMIGA sprit by going to PPC hardware using source purchased from AMIGA inc.

AMIGA InC have removed themself from the OS and seperated themselves from their community in the process.

But what is that community fighting for? Another OS that does what? Captures a Feel??

KMOS now have the code and may just use it in the future do do what? apply it to what? Where does it leave the community?

Are we now a KMOS community? Do we no longer have an AMIGA community or are they the very small DE people.

If we are KMOS, what about AROS and MOrph. Will they end up being more pure to what was once the AMIGA spirit? Is Morph the end result of a dying platform getting ported?

What does it say? Will we all be devoted Debian fnas in the future if KMOS go that way?

It's just so terrible. At least with AMIGA we had a set path, a name and an Ideal. A path to walk down that kep those Ideas and community together. Now We have KMOS which could go any way at all. Once we get this release what's to stop them selling it again, perhaps to Microsoft. then what, do we become a Microsoft community?
OR would we go to Morph? but it is built without KMOS code.

It's just so frightening.

do we(the community formerly know as...) even have an identity?

[mikeymike]

@ SHADES

Well I'm not the slightest bit concerned, everything's pretty much the same as it has been for the last few years. :-)  I think you ought to reason things out for yourself and decide what Amiga means / has meant to you in the process.

[SHADES]

@mikeymike

I used to think I had a very clear idea. Now i'm not so sure.
I guess that's why I'm here though Mike.
i am trying to find exactly that out.
Hopefully enough people will bring forwad their ideas and help me find out exactly what I have now, and what may be for the future of a Platform that seems clearly is no longer AMIGA.

[bloodline]

SHADES wrote:
@mikeymike

I used to think I had a very clear idea. Now i'm not so sure.
I guess that's why I'm here though Mike.
i am trying to find exactly that out.
Hopefully enough people will bring forwad their ideas and help me find out exactly what I have now, and what may be for the future of a Platform that seems clearly is no longer AMIGA.

I guess what the Amiga Community has is a common past :-)

I expect we will all have a common future too... but that is just my pure specualtion ;-)