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Offline Kremlar

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #270 on: March 03, 2020, 03:48:04 AM »
Is it naive to believe you worked on 3.1.4 for "free" as well?
What do you want to imply? That I'm lying? Thank you so much. It's probably not enough having worked on 3.1.4 without payment (not alone, of course), and having provided freeware over the last 20 years or so, also without payment. What else do you need? Do I need to open up my bank account to prove it? Which type of conspiracy theory comes next?

I'm implying that perhaps you should not assume primary motivation.  I don't know Mike Battalina well, but I did speak with him some at a convention a couple years back.  His motivation was clear to me, and it was not money.
 

Offline Gulliver

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #271 on: March 03, 2020, 08:45:19 AM »
Is it naive to believe you worked on 3.1.4 for "free" as well?
What do you want to imply? That I'm lying? Thank you so much. It's probably not enough having worked on 3.1.4 without payment (not alone, of course), and having provided freeware over the last 20 years or so, also without payment. What else do you need? Do I need to open up my bank account to prove it? Which type of conspiracy theory comes next?

I'm implying that perhaps you should not assume primary motivation.  I don't know Mike Battalina well, but I did speak with him some at a convention a couple years back.  His motivation was clear to me, and it was not money.

Companies are made to make money. Sweet talk does not change that.

He had his company focused on making money licensing Commodore's IP since even before Hyperion ever existed.

And he is still selling the same repackaged stuff to this very day, instead of giving it away for free.

Talk is cheap.

His motivation is to make money and you are just another one that felt into his PR stunt.
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #272 on: March 03, 2020, 09:37:51 AM »
he is investing money

he bought AmigaInc. He now pays for the lawsuit. So it is fair to assume that Cloanto has some idea how to earn money when won. How exactly this will be and what will be free of charge (open source) we will see

I mean that not negative, it is fair for a company to earn money even in a small market like we current have

Offline OlafS3

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #273 on: March 03, 2020, 09:39:13 AM »
and the business model of Hyperion is anyhow better?

It relies on people working for free giving them products they can sell expensive

The perfect business model  ;)
 

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Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #274 on: March 03, 2020, 12:36:47 PM »
and the business model of Hyperion is anyhow better?
Heck, no. It's exactly the same model, namely...

It relies on people working for free giving them products they can sell expensive
You look left, you look right, it is all the same. Not that I'm so much against this model, no, be my guest. Just don't waste my time, and my work on lawsuits, that's it. If it would be my decision, here, take AmigaOs, both of you sell it, get over it.

 

Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #275 on: March 03, 2020, 04:52:11 PM »
Which developers do Cloanto owe salaries to?
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #276 on: March 03, 2020, 04:53:27 PM »
Which developers are not getting paid from Cloanto’s products?
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Offline Louis Dias

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #277 on: March 03, 2020, 06:17:03 PM »
If Thomas had used Cloanto as a publisher of 3.1.4 instead of Hyperion, he
1) would have got paid
2) the 'lawuit(s)' would only be about distributing 1.3
 

Offline Minuous

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #278 on: March 03, 2020, 07:38:03 PM »
@Louis Dias:

How could that possibly work? Cloanto don't have the source code, nor any legal right to develop new versions of AmigaOS.
 

Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #279 on: March 03, 2020, 07:51:00 PM »
@Minuous

OS3.1.4 is “developed under license”, and who is the licenser at this point?

Licenses can be terminated.
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Offline Minuous

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #280 on: March 03, 2020, 08:18:35 PM »
But the licence has not been withdrawn, so obviously OS3.1.4 could not have been done as a Cloanto project.

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Mike does not develop Amiga software right now.
He lives in part by licensing Commodore stuff. He is charging money for Amiga Forever and licensing roms.
The only development he does is on the emulation wrapper he provides, and even that, I believe is outsourced.

It turns out that even the emulation wrapper stuff was not actually paid for by Cloanto, but by Trevor Dickinson. https://www.exec.pl/article.jsp?nid=189&Amiga_present_and_future:_interview_with_Trevor_Dickinson
« Last Edit: March 03, 2020, 08:34:40 PM by Minuous »
 

Offline Louis Dias

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #281 on: March 03, 2020, 09:08:31 PM »
Why would I need original source code to replace a buggy file?
As long as the header is available, I could re-implement the library without original sources if I was familiar enough with it's functionality...
Reverse-engineering is a thing.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2020, 09:12:35 PM by Louis Dias »
 
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Offline OlafS3

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #282 on: March 03, 2020, 09:09:07 PM »
you guys seem still want to proof that your side is good side and the other the bad side...

Both parties certainly have a idea how they want to earn money

Hyperion obviously by finding people working for zero and nothing offering them products on the silver blade they can sell expensive

The perfect trader principe, buy cheap sell expensive or in this case get something for free and sell expensive. Perfect business as long there are people willing to work for nothing. It more sounds like a trader than a tech company. Hardly a concept with future.

Cloanto otherwise has not much told about the way they want to make money if they win. They own kickststarts and amiga trademark then so perhaps they earn money by licensing both. But that is speculation. In any case... BOTH are commercial entities and the lawsuit is about money. So stop this discussion who are the good and who are the bad guys. It is simply nonsense

Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #283 on: March 03, 2020, 10:40:11 PM »
The lawsuits are about getting rid of Hyperion once and for all, and just about everyone are in on it.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2020, 10:40:44 PM by kolla »
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Offline Louis Dias

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #284 on: March 04, 2020, 09:45:01 PM »
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The lawsuits are about getting rid of Hyperion once and for all, and just about everyone are in on it.
Please explain.
To me, it's about the rightful control of 3.X.  Cloanto is willing to honor Hyperion's OS4 rights ... just no one gives a crap about PPC...which is why they started publishing 3.x stuff..which is not wrong - however - calling it their own was wrong.  Including 1.3 was also wrong.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2020, 09:45:53 PM by Louis Dias »