Sonnet crescendo 7200 and OS4.1

[Louis Dias]

personally I wanted PS3 support, until I found out how little ram it had.

Yes Kronos, I wanted our developers to eat up time supporting something about as powerful as the backup system I bought from redrumloa last year (not)!

That's ironic when the WiiU is 50% more powerful than the PS3 with 4X(or 8X if you exclude video ram) the RAM...

[Louis Dias]

rotflmao!!!!!

http://wiibrew.org/wiki/IOS
This isn't much different than an Amiga in the sense that some work is off-loaded to "custom chips".  An ARM chip handles all external I/O and launches PPC code.  The PPC code can then request I/O from the ARM-based microkernel, this way PPC cpu cycles aren't being consumed with low level I/O drivers per se and there is no need to reinvent the wheel.  They already exist in the microkernel (IOS).

[Iggy]

That's ironic when the WiiU is 50% more powerful than the PS3 with 4X(or 8X if you exclude video ram) the RAM...

What is ironic is that you would make that claim.
The WiiU does have the advantage of being an out of order processor, but I've thoroughly examined the Cell BE and Xenon (the latter having six threads to you WiiU's three) and the additional clock speed easily makes up for any disadvantages of an in order execution unit.

It took Nintendo an extra generation, and they still fell short, primarily due to all that concern over backward compatibility.

Next thing you know you're going to be repeating that tripe they tried to claim about the WiiU's cpu being somehow related to Watson and other modern IBM endeavors.

Its simple, its pretty much an ordinary 32 bit PPC.
Oh, and about the lack of a storage drive...

Finally, if you haven't got the note, most of the new systems we've adopted are 64bit.

[Iggy]

That's ironic when the WiiU is 50% more powerful than the PS3 with 4X(or 8X if you exclude video ram) the RAM...

What is ironic is that you would make that claim.
The WiiU does have the advantage of being an out of order processor, but I've thoroughly examined the Cell BE and Xenon (the latter having six threads to your WiiU's three) and the additional clock speed easily makes up for any disadvantages of an in order execution unit.

It took Nintendo an extra generation, and they still fell short, primarily due to all that concern over backward compatibility.

Next thing you know you're going to be repeating that tripe they tried to claim about the WiiU's cpu being somehow related to Watson and other modern IBM endeavors.

Its simple, its pretty much a simple 32 bit PPC.

And if you haven't got that note, most of the new systems we've adopted are 64bit.

http://wiibrew.org/wiki/IOS
This isn't much different than an Amiga in the sense that some work is off-loaded to "custom chips".  An ARM chip handles all external I/O and launches PPC code.  The PPC code can then request I/O from the ARM-based microkernel, this way PPC cpu cycles aren't being consumed with low level I/O drivers per se and there is no need to reinvent the wheel.  They already exist in the microkernel (IOS).

Yeah, an ARM processor to offload work from a weak PPC processor, sounds more like the Minimig than the Amiga.

[Kronos]

http://wiibrew.org/wiki/IOS

And at which point does that autotranslate to AmigaDOS compatible filesystems, a graphics subsystem that take calls designed graphics or cybergraphics.library?

Is there an USB stack and does it translate KBD and mouse to something input.device/intuition could understand?


Nah, all it does is what other HW provide with OpenFirmware,UBoot,EFI,etc etc

And you still haven answered why it would be such a good idea if the HW offers no real advantage over already supported and easily available G4 MacMini.

[Karlos]

@lou_dias

Start by porting AROS to it then you will have a case to make for the technical side. Unfortunately porting a commercial OS to a commercial platform is a totally different problem.

Otherwise it's all just wishlisting. Id like OS4 and MorphOS porting to run on my deluxe ten flavour ice cream making machine and its faster than the washing machine.

[nicholas]

Are you talking to me or the OP?   HA!

20 Million WiiU's running a triple-core PPC @ 1.24 Ghz for about $150 or you can spend hundreds of dollars on a card that's not much more powerful than a Gamecube...  Makes sense.

By the way, there isn't much in the way of porting needing to be done.  Mostly just UBOOT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_U-Boot
...much like MONA very little work would be required.  "Drivers" amount to calling the libraries that already exist within the machine's ROM.

I know Amigans aren't used to getting alot of feature for little money and when you do, you make sure that you complain heavily (ie.. Vampire2)...

You know what I'm wrong.  I don't want:
2GB of RAM
Out-of-order execution PowerPC based cores
45 nanometer process technology
IBM silicon on insulator (SOI) technology
Three cores at 1.243125 GHz
Symmetric multiprocessing with MESI/MERSI support
Each core can output up to 4 instructions per clock using superscalar parallelism.
32-bit integer unit
64-bit floating-point (or 2× 32-bit SIMD, often found under the denomination "paired singles")
A total of 3 MB of Level 2 cache in an unusual configuration.[16]
Core 0: 512 KB, core 1: 2 MB, core 2: 512 KB
4 stage pipeline
7 stage pipeline - FP
6 Execution Units per core (18 EUs total)
Die size: 4.74 mm × 5.85 mm = 27.73 mm^2
4 USB ports, 802.11N wifi, bluetooth... dual-layer BluRay drive...
...and I surely don't want a 550Mhz core Radeon Latte GPU...

I don't want any of that for less than $5000!!!!
How dare that be available for <$200!!!  What a travesty!

I'll ask again.

Are you going to pay for this port that you've been begging for since 2005?

I would say ask for SVN access then port it yourself but it's written in that " inferior" language C and not your beloved Visual Basic so that rules that out.

[nicholas]

Yes Kronos, I wanted our developers to eat up time supporting something about as powerful as the backup system I bought from redrumloa last year (not)!

Some history for you Jim. Though I warn you it's a long and harrowing insight into insanity. Highly amusing in places though lol

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=13903

[Karlos]

Dear God, it really is 2005 again. Make it stop.

[nicholas]

@lou_dias

Start by porting AROS to it then you will have a case to make for the technical side. Unfortunately porting a commercial OS to a commercial platform is a totally different problem.

Otherwise it's all just wishlisting. Id like OS4 and MorphOS porting to run on my deluxe ten flavour ice cream making machine and its faster than the washing machine.

You could port both in a weekend if you weren't so obsessed with that inferior language C.

May I suggest FoxPro?

[nicholas]

Dear God, it really is 2005 again. Make it stop.

Even Mike Bouma is back, saw him spouting his sycophantic drivel on MorphOS threads over at osnews recently.

Groundhog day!

[Iggy]

Ookay, enough with the glue sniffing now.

Love it, LOVE IT!

I remember the insanity.
I even exchanged messages with the director at IBM that was in charge of Cell development back then.

Gamecube, huh? Gamecube, Wii, WiiU,,,great googly moogly.

I still remember IBM's response "We prefer to work with qualified partners".
As in, no you can't buy Cell BE processors. :laughing:

That freakin' does it. I'm ready to move to commodity X64 hardware now.

Check please!

[Bennymee]

@Iggy
Is your Qemu better then Amigaforever, does it support Composition/RadeonHD ??

[Iggy]

@Iggy
Is your Qemu better then Amigaforever, does it support Composition/RadeonHD ??

I wasn't really thinking about OS4, Benny. And I haven't used AmigaForever in awhile, but I'm sure it runs OS4 better at this point then anything that has been done thus far with QEMU.
That being said, I'd rather emulate an X5000 or a SAM460 than a 603 or 604 PPC equipped legacy Amiga.

[Kronos]

I wasn't really thinking about OS4, Benny. And I haven't used AmigaForevdr in awhile, but I'm sure it runs OS4 better at this point then anything that has been done thus far with QEMU.

AmigaForever (aka UAE) does PPC support by utilizing QEMU......

[Iggy]

AmigaForever (aka UAE) does PPC support by utilizing QEMU......

Cool. If UAE is using QEMU, we have a way of integrating the work on more modern hardware with Amiga emulation.
Cloanto with its AmigaForever, a commercial product derived from UAE, might be hesitant to go that far.

We'll have to see.
Either way, it's X86/X64, not a WiiU. ;-)

Edit - Then again, it could also be PPC on an 11,2 PowerMac or a Power9 system.
You wouldn't run X5000 emulation on an X5000 (and SAM emulation on an X5000 would be silly).
It could open up some possibilities for X1000 owners, but it would be pointless on lower end AmigaOne systems as they wouldn't have the cpu power (come to think of it, neither would a WiiU). ;-)

2nd edit - One step further, if a PCIe G5 could run this type of emulation, what prevents an AGP G5 from doing the same?
The AGP G5 wouldn't have PCIe slots, but we are talking about emulating the hardware, not acting as some kind of translation or wrapper for the platform.

3rd edit - Actually, if you were running Linux and utilizing the extra cores of an X5000/30 or X5000/40, then emulation of multiple PPC sessions might make sense.
Could be a way to use the extra core on an X1000 as well.