Sonnet crescendo 7200 and OS4.1

[nicholas]

Does the truth hurt to hear?
I guess I'll have to be content with Linux...
https://gitlab.com/linux-wiiu/linux-wiiu#wii-u-linux

If the OS4, AROS or MorphOS devs were interested in porting to the Wii they'd have already done it.

If you want it so bad then put your money where your mouth is and pay for the development costs.

[kolla]

Current Vampire is like getting an Intel i7 onto a board that still has ISA-slots so you can get an CGA and AdLib card into it..........

i7? More like Pentium MMX 120 or so.

[Louis Dias]

If the OS4, AROS or MorphOS devs were interested in porting to the Wii they'd have already done it.

If you want it so bad then put your money where your mouth is and pay for the development costs.

Oh ... are you one of those people that thinks the WiiU is the Wii with a new controller?

[nicholas]

Oh ... are you one of those people that thinks the WiiU is the Wii with a new controller?

Are you going to pay for this port that you so desperately want?

Supply and demand.

There's no demand.

[Kronos]

i7? More like Pentium MMX 120 or so.

Thats not the point.....


..... but still noone sane would pair a Pentium with those cards.

[Kronos]

Oh ... are you one of those people that thinks the WiiU is the Wii with a new controller?

HW wise (and if only one core is used) the WiiU is a silent upgrade MacMini with a fixed (small) SSD size.

Both MorphOS and OS4 (well kinda) have already been ported to those and there isn't a real shortage of that particular HW.

As cool as it might seem, pointless waste of resources.

[Karlos]

Wouldn't porting OS4's bootloader to WiiU custom firmware be simpler?

https://hackinformer.com/2016/12/12/wiiu-rednand-cfw-tutorial/

Hey, 2005 called and wants it's thread back.

[Iggy]

Hey, 2005 called and wants it's thread back.

Thanks Karlos, personally I wanted PS3 support, until I found out how little ram it had. And the Xbox360 also looked interesting, but documentation for the hardware of either wasn't great.
WiiU? Hmm, slower, unexpandable, and my G4 PowerMac is probably faster.
What would be the point?

@ Kronos, X64 Qemu emulation of PPC hardware looks like a winner, and at least we aren't targeting a dying ISA.

I like PPCs, and Power 9 would have been a cool linear upgrade, but following the MorphOS development team's lead on what hardware should receive support has brought me affordable, function hardware from mainstream computing companies.

So I guess I'll stop worrying about brand A, and just stay the course.

Of course, if QEMU emulation of the X5000 becomes a reality on the 11,2 PowerMac, I have a Quad 2.5 GHz unit sitting here waiting.

[Motormouth]

If I understand this correctly, Elbox pci.library is needed rather than openpci.library.

So a wrapper would need creating to use a Sonnet in an Amithlon machine?

Yes you are correct,Elbox's pci.library, not openpci.

You could use a wrapper or a different version of the powerpc.library.  In theory it could work with the GRex or Prometheus (with the busmastering fix) but this is yet another thread for another time.

[Motormouth]

Of course, if QEMU emulation of the X5000 becomes a reality on the 11,2 PowerMac, I have a Quad 2.5 GHz unit sitting here waiting.

Now you are talking!

[Iggy]

Now you are talking!

That would be ironic, wouldn't it? Emulating a $1700 2018 PPC system with a 2005 system that can be had cheaper and is more powerful.

[Louis Dias]

Are you going to pay for this port that you so desperately want?
Supply and demand.
There's no demand.

Are you talking to me or the OP?   HA!

20 Million WiiU's running a triple-core PPC @ 1.24 Ghz for about $150 or you can spend hundreds of dollars on a card that's not much more powerful than a Gamecube...  Makes sense.

By the way, there isn't much in the way of porting needing to be done.  Mostly just UBOOT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_U-Boot
...much like MONA very little work would be required.  "Drivers" amount to calling the libraries that already exist within the machine's ROM.

I know Amigans aren't used to getting alot of feature for little money and when you do, you make sure that you complain heavily (ie.. Vampire2)...

You know what I'm wrong.  I don't want:
2GB of RAM
Out-of-order execution PowerPC based cores
45 nanometer process technology
IBM silicon on insulator (SOI) technology
Three cores at 1.243125 GHz
Symmetric multiprocessing with MESI/MERSI support
Each core can output up to 4 instructions per clock using superscalar parallelism.
32-bit integer unit
64-bit floating-point (or 2× 32-bit SIMD, often found under the denomination "paired singles")
A total of 3 MB of Level 2 cache in an unusual configuration.[16]
Core 0: 512 KB, core 1: 2 MB, core 2: 512 KB
4 stage pipeline
7 stage pipeline - FP
6 Execution Units per core (18 EUs total)
Die size: 4.74 mm × 5.85 mm = 27.73 mm^2
4 USB ports, 802.11N wifi, bluetooth... dual-layer BluRay drive...
...and I surely don't want a 550Mhz core Radeon Latte GPU...

I don't want any of that for less than $5000!!!!
How dare that be available for <$200!!!  What a travesty!

[Iggy]

Are you talking to me or the OP?   HA!

20 Million WiiU's running a triple-core PPC @ 1.24 Ghz for about $150 or you can spend hundreds of dollars on a card that's not much more powerful than a Gamecube...  Makes sense.

By the way, there isn't much in the way of porting needing to be done.  Mostly just UBOOT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_U-Boot
...much like MONA very little work would be required.  "Drivers" amount to calling the libraries that already exist within the machine's ROM.

I know Amigans aren't used to getting alot of feature for little money and when you do, you make sure that you complain heavily (ie.. Vampire2)...

You know what I'm wrong.  I don't want:
2GB of RAM
Out-of-order execution PowerPC based cores
45 nanometer process technology
IBM silicon on insulator (SOI) technology
Three cores at 1.243125 GHz
Symmetric multiprocessing with MESI/MERSI support
Each core can output up to 4 instructions per clock using superscalar parallelism.
32-bit integer unit
64-bit floating-point (or 2× 32-bit SIMD, often found under the denomination "paired singles")
A total of 3 MB of Level 2 cache in an unusual configuration.[16]
Core 0: 512 KB, core 1: 2 MB, core 2: 512 KB
4 stage pipeline
7 stage pipeline - FP
6 Execution Units per core (18 EUs total)
Die size: 4.74 mm × 5.85 mm = 27.73 mm^2
4 USB ports, 802.11N wifi, bluetooth... dual-layer BluRay drive...
...and I surely don't want a 550Mhz core Radeon Latte GPU...

I don't want any of that for less than $5000!!!!
How dare that be available for <$200!!!  What a travesty!

Still looks dated.
Only a 1.24 GHz cpu that does not appear to be significantly more powerful than NXP's e600 and e500 cored processors (although the L2 cache is interesting), and no NG OS supports SMP, so the core count is irrelevant.
I have been unable to research the fpu, to see if it similar to other PPC floating point units, or if it has AltiVec instructions.
The gpu, while heavily customized, resembles an AMD R700 and from my initial examination appears to only have 32GB of vram.
New video drivers would have to be created for this, as there are significant differences from a standard Radeon gpu.
Customized drivers for sound, networking, and possibly USB would be necessary.
The Blu Ray drive is pointless, as there are no NG drivers for Blu Ray, only DVD.
Oh, and you forgot to mention, its got no hard drive.

It has no expansion slots.
Basically, right now I have a dual cpu G4 PowerMac running at 1.33 GHz, with a VIA Envy24HT sound card, SATA SSD drives, SATA DVD-R drive, a wireless networking card and an R500 video card.
The basic system with a MorphOS license cost me less than $100. And it all works with existing drivers.

If I want to spend something closer to the $200 you're mentioning, I can buy a 2.3 to 2.7 GHz G5 PowerMac, that can take up to 8 GB of memory, comes with interfaces for PATA and SATA, can handle the same R500 based video card, and may soon be able to use an AGP R600 video card.

So no, I don't want to buy a Nintendo game machine. Unless its to play video games on. I already have computers.

And I don't want to see the OS developers I rely on wasting their time porting to said under-powered game machine when there is so much other work that could be done.

So yes...no.

[Kronos]

...much like mona very little work would be required.  

no idea how much work went into moana, but it was still 100s of hour away from being a release candidate.

"drivers" amount to calling the libraries that already exist within the machine's rom.

rotflmao!!!!!

[Iggy]

no idea how much work went into moana, but it was still 100s of hour away from being a release candidate.



rotflmao!!!!!

Yes Kronos, I wanted our developers to eat up time supporting something about as powerful as the backup system I bought from redrumloa last year (not)!

[Louis Dias]

personally I wanted PS3 support, until I found out how little ram it had.

Yes Kronos, I wanted our developers to eat up time supporting something about as powerful as the backup system I bought from redrumloa last year (not)!

That's ironic when the WiiU is 50% more powerful than the PS3 with 4X(or 8X if you exclude video ram) the RAM...