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AuthorTopic: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators  (Read 14486 times)

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Offline Niding

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2018, 01:21:27 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver;836923
I am sorry for you, but somebody has then been making profit out of your free work for over a year: as we all know, Vampires arent sold at cost.

I hope you get some compensation for your work.


Everyone reading this post know you are smarter than this, so not sure what you are trying to do with that angle.

I paid for my Vampire, which was functional as is. After that point, the core has been updated x times, with new features/fixes, and thats technically work they didnt have to do, since they already got my money.
But as we all know, its called retention of customers thru good customer service.

When I buy any hardware, I know what I get, and Im not asked to pay anything else down the road. But Im more inclined to purchase from the same manufacturer IF they deliver good service and product.

Wether or not those expectations are met, depends to a certain extent on each and one of us.

But again, you are more than capable to grasp this consept, so..
 

Offline grond

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2018, 01:33:58 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver;836923
I am sorry for you, but somebody has then been making profit out of your free work for over a year: as we all know, Vampires arent sold at cost.

Ah, yes? How do we _know_ that?
 

Offline ALB42

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2018, 01:50:46 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver;836923
I hope you get some compensation for your work.

I would guess they get the same compensation as I get for my FreePascal work (or any other OpenSource coder): Fun (to work on it) and satisfaction that you create something what other find useful and you didn't waste your time but produce something remarkable.

(I have the admit the latter is not very strong for me... with the low FreePascal user count on Amiga systems... but still :))
 

Offline grond

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2018, 01:56:26 PM »
I totally think that MUIMapparium is something remarkable! There is not that much modern Amiga Software of a similar quality.
 

Offline Gulliver

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2018, 02:09:00 PM »
Quote from: grond;836927
Ah, yes? How do we _know_ that?

Know what?

My comment was a reply to your previous stament in which you said, that between other members in the team you worked for free for over a year.

If you refer to know if the Vampire is being sold at cost, that is an exercise that has been done several times by different people, even done by your own team mates. So it is nothing new, and not even a secret by no stretch of the imagination.

Compensation is not always about money. But it is a bit naive to think nobody is making a profit out of it, which has no  negative connotation by itlsef, unless you are being screwed.
 

Offline grond

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2018, 02:23:49 PM »
What I _know_ is that a lot of money has been _sunk_ into this project. Yes, some or most of it probably has been recovered by now. However, there is still a substantial risk involved for the people actually buying parts and paying manufacturers upfront and writing off non-functional units. Putting this into the balance, it will still take quite some time until we can consider some surplus money "profit".
 

Offline Gulliver

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2018, 02:34:59 PM »
@grond

I have no doubts lots of money has been invested in this project.
All business involve risks and costs, and that is nothing new either. No risk equals no profit, as simple as that in the business world.

As long as you are are ok with it, there is nothing wrong about it.
 

Offline kolla

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2018, 03:06:43 PM »
But this isn't business, remember? It's a hobby project.
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Offline kolla

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2018, 03:14:19 PM »
Quote from: guibrush;836913
Seriously ? What about Quake 2, Sysinfo, AIBB, Redrats, MWI-Kioea, Singulartity is just the beginning, software make the dance foam oil, Ghosttown metropolis, respirator stories, Lux Aeterna Lucia est, dekandence swansong, AFAOS, ScumVM FPU version, Netsurf FPU version, Warp3d FPU, Imagine 4.0, Lightwave, and all the other FPU programs working right now ?


http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=6¬e=12868&z=HWFbnR

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Fast Hardware FPU  (to play some games or Demos)


http://wiki.apollo-accelerators.com/doku.php/fpu

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People shall use the FPU for what it is intended to on the Vampire, that is to run most of the Amiga Demos and Games requiring an FPU.


I would not dare to use it for anything else than what Gunnar dictates.
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Offline clebin

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2018, 03:18:32 PM »
Are we now pretending that we don't know the meaning of a "free update"?

Or that "free, as in beer" is not a well understood concept alongside "free, as in speech"?

FFS, the lengths that some people will go to piss on other people's work.
 

Offline clebin

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2018, 03:20:50 PM »
Quote from: kolla;836935
I would not dare to use it for anything else than what Gunnar dictates.


Another childish trolling attack - what a surprise. I've heard you say that you're just providing balance, etc as if anyone is expected to believe that. You're a joke.
 

Offline grond

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2018, 03:23:44 PM »
Quote from: kolla;836935
I would not dare to use it for anything else than what Gunnar dictates.

Yes, just imagine what could happen if you rendered a scene in Lightwave using this "FPU"!!!

This needs a public statement: please don't use this core to control a nuclear power plant, missile silo or eurofighter, let alone any Amiga FPU software that is not a demo or game!
 

Offline soviet

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2018, 03:53:10 PM »
Man this thread evolved fasttttt, all the trolls are already here.
I like to say hi to all of you and that really enjoy your trolling keep up the good work its fun :D.
 

Offline pcotter

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2018, 04:21:00 PM »
 

Offline kolla

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2018, 04:21:52 PM »
Quote from: grond;836938
Yes, just imagine what could happen if you rendered a scene in Lightwave using this "FPU"!!!


So you're saying that the statements I referred to are BS? If so, maybe they should be changed.
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A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
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Peg1, SAM460 and Mac minis with MorphOS