News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License

[nyteschayde]

this thread is everything wrong with the amiga scene.

Someone who hates something that somebody else has done that does't appeal to their purist ideals (despite the fact that the moto 68k cores are very different, all have different fpu capabilities, and different mmu implementations), and they just can't stop pointing it out.

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[psxphill]

This thread is everything wrong with the Amiga scene.

Someone who hates something that somebody else has done that does't appeal to their purist ideals (despite the fact that the Moto 68k cores are very different, all have different FPU capabilities, and different MMU implementations), and they just can't stop pointing it out.

That appears to have been missing from the original post.

"We offer hardware developers a
_FREE_ 68080 CORE that is
compatible with the 68040/68060
and is set to about 68040/68060 speed. "

What is wrong with the Amiga scene is that people are still enabling Gunnar despite the lies he has told, it's like you want to be lied to. If the cargo cult stopped, then Gunnar would have to start telling the truth or disappear into obscurity. Maybe people would still buy into it if he told the truth, I guess we'll never know because the enablers won't risk it.

Saying something is compatible means that it's compatible, but it's not compatible. If you have to rely on an alternative definition of compatible then it's a lie.

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You appear to have missed the point of this thread.

[SpaceMonkey]

That appears to have been missing from the original post.

"We offer hardware developers a
_FREE_ 68080 CORE that is
compatible with the 68040/68060
and is set to about 68040/68060 speed. "

What is wrong with the Amiga scene is that people are still enabling Gunnar despite the lies he has told, it's like you want to be lied to. If the cargo cult stopped, then Gunnar would have to start telling the truth or disappear into obscurity. Maybe people would still buy into it if he told the truth, I guess we'll never know because the enablers won't risk it.

Saying something is compatible means that it's compatible, but it's not compatible. If you have to rely on an alternative definition of compatible then it's a lie.



You appear to have missed the point of this thread.

I think you are playing the semantics game. Did the release notes say 100% compatible with all features available er No. Does the whole world and his dog know that there is not a like for like MMU currently available.  

So in your world you are waiting for the mythical phase 5 products to be release and skip merrily to 060 heaven. Back in the real world finding a supply of 060 processors is impossible, it would be easy to find Lord Lucan.

If a professional hardware developer wish to build an 080 accelerator board which gives the 060 a run for its money and create a 68EC060 like board at a good price then this is a good thing.

And for the record a do own a Vampire for my 600 and this is the only reason a got back into using an Amiga after 15 years+.

[soviet]

When the trolls are going to say what is the incompatibility ?.
Because they speak and speak about it but never list what software don't run on the vamp.

[psxphill]

I think you are playing the semantics game. Did the release notes say 100% compatible with all features available er No.

I'm not playing the semantics game, you are playing the semantics game.

If they say compatible with no qualification of compatibility then yes you can safely expect it's 100% compatible.

They know it's not 100% compatible but are prepared to mislead, otherwise why wouldn't they just admit it? Are you saying they are too stupid to know?

Does the whole world and his dog know that there is not a like for like MMU currently available.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that, Gunnar would simply just have to write the HDL to create a compatible MMU. He refuses.

So in your world you are waiting for the mythical phase 5 products to be release and skip merrily to 060 heaven. Back in the real world finding a supply of 060 processors is impossible, it would be easy to find Lord Lucan.

I'm waiting for Gunnar to add an 040 or 060 compatible MMU and FPU. Or for someone else to do an equivalent board that supports it. Unfortunately Gunnar is doing his best to stop either of those things happening.

When the trolls are going to say what is the incompatibility ?.
Because they speak and speak about it but never list what software don't run on the vamp.

That isn't true at all, the only trolls are speaking in favour of Apollo.

If you're serious then lets start with an easy one, NetBSD http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/amiga/

Then how about http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/MMULib

Quite a useful one here http://aminet.net/package/dev/debug/enforcer (Enforcer 37.73, supports 68060). Apparently 68080 is compatible with 68060 and this version of Enforcer supports 68060 so of course it will work (wrong).

I don't know if you really believe what you're saying, or whether you're just trying to be a troll yourself.

[Chucky]

Enforcer,  mungwall...

etc..

[kolla]

A whole range of plugins for AdPro, SView, ImageFx etc, various ixemul versions and everything that depend on them, like sox, lame, ffmpeg etc.

[kolla]

Btw - anyone who think I waste any hate on something as mundane as this nonsense, is wrong

[kolla]

I'm waiting for Gunnar to add an 040 or 060 compatible MMU and FPU.

Nah, he cannot do that, can you imagine the outrage?! :laughing:

I am glad that he again is trying to reach 68k communities outside the Amiga realm, since that will challenge the apollo core on the problematic issues.

[wawrzon]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that, Gunnar would simply just have to write the HDL to create a compatible MMU. He refuses.

simply write hdl.. know what? he said its down the priority list, to write hardware mmu compatinility wrapper. if you think its immediately important, you can contibute to funding it. other than that i dontt think he owes you some feature or other. you can simply stay away from his offer, rather than trying to scare him away and disapoint the majortity of those, fond of such an exceptional option.

I'm waiting for Gunnar to add an 040 or 060 compatible MMU and FPU. Or for someone else to do an equivalent board that supports it. Unfortunately Gunnar is doing his best to stop either of those things happening.

yeah gunnar tries to prevent implementation of an fpu.. and whats that:
http://apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=10876&z=VbGYA8
O: ??!

That isn't true at all, the only trolls are speaking in favour of Apollo.

If you're serious then lets start with an easy one, NetBSD http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/amiga/

Then how about http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/MMULib

Quite a useful one here http://aminet.net/package/dev/debug/enforcer (Enforcer 37.73, supports 68060). Apparently 68080 is compatible with 68060 and this version of Enforcer supports 68060 so of course it will work (wrong).

I don't know if you really believe what you're saying, or whether you're just trying to be a troll yourself.

hard time trying to find an mmu dependant amiga software? i agree mutools would be nice to have, but it starts to be boring that you guys always refer to it and netbsd as support of your rants, coul go find another example to entertain us a bit more;)

[wawrzon]

A whole range of plugins for AdPro, SView, ImageFx etc, various ixemul versions and everything that depend on them, like sox, lame, ffmpeg etc.

i didnt recall ixemul itself depends on fpu, it rather depends on what math lib you are linking your program against, before even linking against ixemul stub.

[psxphill]

simply write hdl.. know what? he said its down the priority list, to write hardware mmu compatinility wrapper.

Well that is an improvement, he used to go into melt down when anyone suggested they needed a compatible MMU. I guess we're having an effect, good to know.

if you think its immediately important, you can contibute to funding it.

How?

other than that i dontt think he owes you some feature or other.

He owes it to anyone who buys one due to misleading advertising.

you can simply stay away from his offer, rather than trying to scare him away and disapoint the majortity of those, fond of such an exceptional option.

If he stopped lying then I wouldn't have commented. Why don't you convince him to stop lying? It would be much more productive.

yeah gunnar tries to prevent implementation of an fpu.. and whats that:
http://apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=10876&z=VbGYA8
O: ??!

What I said was he is trying to make sure nobody else produces an alternative, by lying to get people to buy into his product.
The last I heard even the compatible FPU wasn't designed to give the correct results due to difference in precision. If the complaints have made him change his mind then that is a bonus, you might want to check though because he might just not mentioning it anymore.

hard time trying to find an mmu dependant amiga software?

No, I listed a few plus there are more if I wanted to spend time on it & FWIW the press release specifies nothing about amiga software either. It says "compatible with the 68040/68060" so Next Step would be another piece of software.

Maybe he should have said "compatible with software that I decide is worthwhile running".

i agree mutools would be nice to have, but it starts to be boring that you guys always refer to it and netbsd as support of your rants, coul go find another example to entertain us a bit more;)

Right, so you admit that you only do this to troll. Good to know. This is not a rant, it's a response to the whinny apollo trolls rants.

[soviet]

I'm not playing the semantics game, you are playing the semantics game.

If they say compatible with no qualification of compatibility then yes you can safely expect it's 100% compatible.

They know it's not 100% compatible but are prepared to mislead, otherwise why wouldn't they just admit it? Are you saying they are too stupid to know?



I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that, Gunnar would simply just have to write the HDL to create a compatible MMU. He refuses.



I'm waiting for Gunnar to add an 040 or 060 compatible MMU and FPU. Or for someone else to do an equivalent board that supports it. Unfortunately Gunnar is doing his best to stop either of those things happening.



That isn't true at all, the only trolls are speaking in favour of Apollo.

If you're serious then lets start with an easy one, NetBSD http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/amiga/

Then how about http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/MMULib

Quite a useful one here http://aminet.net/package/dev/debug/enforcer (Enforcer 37.73, supports 68060). Apparently 68080 is compatible with 68060 and this version of Enforcer supports 68060 so of course it will work (wrong).

I don't know if you really believe what you're saying, or whether you're just trying to be a troll yourself.

So that's it 3 programs ?
They should change it to 99.5% compatibility?

[Chucky]

except that you do not count compability in number of programs that work on it.. but functions used and why the program breaks.

and in this case the reason is: MMU is missing (or compatible one) and as they claim 68040/68060 compabilty..  those programs (functions)  should work.

[ferrellsl]

[SARCASM ON]

Amiga users everywhere lay awake at night wondering how they will get NetBSD running on their systems....all the hand-wringing  and pacing the floor.....oh the humanity!  And not being able to run NextStep on an Apollo core is sheer blasphemy! Now if the Apollo team refuses to support BeOS, then I'm done! It's back to 1990 for me!

[/SARCASM OFF]

The attacks presented here against Gunnar and the Vampire are so over-the-top-ridiculous that it leads one to believe that those who are launching them suffer from mental illnesses along with a bad case of drama-queen syndrome.  To call their constant rants "obsessions" would be an understatement.  They act as if they're being forced to buy a Vampire or the Apollo core.  What's more likely is that they've been offered a financial incentive to bash the Vampire and the Apollo core.....either that, or they really are just crazy.  They certainly are playing the parts of drama queens perfectly.

[TheMagicM]

Enforcer,  mungwall...

etc..

You've stated this since page 1.   How many more pages do you need?   I'd love to start deleting posts again :-)