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Offline mulder77

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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #194 from previous page: November 11, 2017, 12:57:16 PM »
Joined here 2011, no idea what you're referring to.
 

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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #195 on: November 11, 2017, 01:20:58 PM »
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Asking and not trusting is not a good pattern.


Actually it is. Do you prefer trusting, no questions asked?

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Whatever the Apollo crew would say, could ever change your mind?


Change my mind about what?

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If I were in a similar position as you are now, I’d get AsmOne with its interactive mode and type small snippets to Unit test if output corresponds to what I expect. AMMX or whatever they call the extension cannot activate if you don’t ping it, so in case you don’t need it, it would be just like empty space.
So you are telling me to only test the part of the core that is designed to be compatible, and to stay away from the rest?

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It’s a general purpose execution unit in a cheap and dirty low end fpga. I Do not expect it to have an AI aware Bitcoin wallet sniffer within.


I think it is rather funny that you bring up Bitcoin in this, considering that crypto currency was such a re-occuring topic on the IRC channel. Anyways, that's totally beside the point. I asked if there are other pieces of software running behind the scenes, that should be easy to answer.
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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #196 on: November 11, 2017, 02:00:10 PM »
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I asked if there are other pieces of software running behind the scenes, that should be easy to answer.


Yes, there is WinUAE running inside the core! Now you found our secret! And that we are violating the GPL on top of it all!
 

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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #197 on: November 11, 2017, 06:04:15 PM »
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Yes, there is WinUAE running inside the core! Now you found our secret! And that we are violating the GPL on top of it all!


Wouldn't be any weirder than Intel running Minix3 in its hardware. :lol:
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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #198 on: November 11, 2017, 06:42:53 PM »
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Wouldn't be any weirder than Intel running Minix3 in its hardware. :lol:


I thought AROS would be an interesting choice for the IME :)
 

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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #199 on: November 11, 2017, 07:10:57 PM »
Sanity has left this place since a long time I see.

Been Tellurium since 2009. My previous account was deleted in the great purge of dormant accounts. Not posting due to the state of decay of this once glorious community. I came to buy an Amiga a bit late, in 1992, it was the beginning of the AGA, the beginning of the end already. I have no idea about you, but I am 40 and really too old for this insanity.

These tribal wars you fight make me just as sad as I feel reading the counter-trolling and the other troll wars.

I do not have a vamp and do not need one. But I may test one in the future and if it runs Amiga OS, the way I want it, then it is gonna be fine for me.

I am closing here. I do not care of these childish quarrels in fashion on this forum. I guess I can spend another decade lurking, for what is worth. All this is so terribly sad.
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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #200 on: November 11, 2017, 07:22:17 PM »
@Tellurium,

+1, feel that way often here.
 

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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #201 on: November 11, 2017, 07:22:19 PM »
@Tellurium

I enjoyed your posts in this thread.

The level of nitpicking, regardless of target, be it AOS 3.x, AOS 4.x,Morphos, AROS, 68k, FPGA, PPC etc is quite selfdestructive.

Its almost like Life of Brian quarrel between The People's Front of Judea vs Judean's Peoples Front.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4
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Offline Plaz

Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #202 on: November 12, 2017, 02:07:00 AM »
@Niding

Better moderation would be nice. But not gonna happen.

I too lurk mainly only reading posts specifically by users that are producing sw/hw and offering info on their wares. Everything else I treat as static and filter, which seems to be 95% of the content here any more. Too many years of the same people, same gripes/grudges and a weird need to repeat themselves endlessly. re-re-re-re-referring to posts of parallel arguments years past. Unless you pick a side of the current recycled argument your average posts are completely ignored. Just weird.

Someone offered free use of a 68k fpga core. Use it or don't. 10 pages of wah wah... spare us.
Anyway, to much time on the subject already. Just for a moment I felt like griping too. :)


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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #203 on: November 12, 2017, 12:48:02 PM »
As happy user of ppc amiga I see two groups of people here.

Unsatisfied users of 68k who get that they will have better results by simple overclocking 68060 to 100 MHz,
and powerpc haters who still after so many years hope that natami/apollo/vampire will kick ass this bad ppc which they so much hate.

From ppc amiga user point of view use there is nothing wrong in use "virtual machine" ("amiga os in back seat") or 68040.library or FEMU.

It just prove that Amiga NG was RIGTH way to develop new amiga.

But it not fit in natami/apollo/vampire propaganda and 68k users may fill used to support worse (slower) 68k NG.

I also understand that 68k users may not like Intel MMX on Amiga, because they may use MMX on pc.

(Or not because everyone on pc switch from 20 years old MMX to shaders many years ago).

Ours 68k brothers keep the faith!

Look into the bright side of life!

You can always switch from assembler to C  and be happy users of Amiga PPC.
 

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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #204 on: November 12, 2017, 02:04:44 PM »
Well Im a happy Vampire user and I dont hate the PowerPC based Amigas. In fact I think theyre a necessity in keeping the Amiga spirit alive. PowerPC architecture is certainly the likely direction that Commodore would have headed, if they hadnt gone bust, since Motorola had ceased further development of the 68k processors.
How I would have reacted back then to PPC Amigas, I dont know. Being younger and more willing to accept change perhaps I would have embraced them. I hope A-Eon find success as I do Apollo team and other hardware manufacturers.
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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #205 on: November 12, 2017, 02:52:08 PM »
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Well Im a happy Vampire user and I dont hate the PowerPC based Amigas. In fact I think theyre a necessity in keeping the Amiga spirit alive. PowerPC architecture is certainly the likely direction that Commodore would have headed, if they hadnt gone bust, since Motorola had ceased further development of the 68k processors.
How I would have reacted back then to PPC Amigas, I dont know. Being younger and more willing to accept change perhaps I would have embraced them. I hope A-Eon find success as I do Apollo team and other hardware manufacturers.


As I don't see too much overlap, I embrace both legacy and NG hardware myself.
No matter what they do with the Apollo core, it isn't going to outperform a PPC, but it could be a very useful replacement for the 68K.
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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #206 on: November 12, 2017, 05:33:19 PM »
I've never heard of any PPC development happening at Commodore. CBM was focused on the Hombre chipset using PA-RISC and an AGA/M68K SoC. The SoC would allow cost reduced low end classic Amigas and could be included with a PA-RISC machine for backwards compatibility. If Commodore had survived these architectures would probably have seen them through to a transition to x86.
 

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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #207 on: November 12, 2017, 07:50:11 PM »
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No matter what they do with the Apollo core, it isn't going to outperform a PPC, but it could be a very useful replacement for the 68K.


At least as an FPGA.

And in time, the PPC will almost certainly end up as a replacement candidate as well.
 

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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #208 on: November 12, 2017, 08:50:01 PM »
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I've never heard of any PPC development happening at Commodore.

That is correct. PowerPC only came to the Amiga after commodore went bankrupt. The first PowerPC chip shipped in an IBM workstation in October 1993, Apple launched the first PowerMac in March 1994, Commodore went bankrupt in April 1994.

Amiga Technologies said they were porting AmigaOS to PowerPC in 1995 along with new machines with Phase 5 providing the cards for existing machines, ESCOM died in 1996 and Phase 5 had to come up with their own software support, which later turned into the PowerUP vs WarpOS war.

WarpOS became standard even though there were really compelling technical reasons why it shouldn't, the same reason Trump gets elected and people love Apollo

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CBM was focused on the Hombre chipset using PA-RISC and an AGA/M68K SoC. The SoC would allow cost reduced low end classic Amigas and could be included with a PA-RISC machine for backwards compatibility.

Hombrew was a clean break from the Amiga, it didn't use AGA or 68K at all.

A couple of documents turned up earlier this year "Hombre: Beyond Amiga (October 8th 1993)"

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=87342

It would be nice to see the HDL for Hombre, but it's likely unfinished and contains copyrighted PA-RISC as well. PlayStation was similarly designed in HDL mostly from an LSI library, then cut down. From what I can tell the PlayStation was a better design, I've always felt it was the spiritual successor to the Amiga.

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If Commodore had survived these architectures would probably have seen them through to a transition to x86.

And then they'd have died trying to compete with Dell/HP/Compaq/etc.

It's kinda weird that nintendo, sony & microsoft transitioned to PowerPC years later and then Sony & Microsoft have followed apple to x86 as well.

Even the later slim ps2 had a power pc hidden in them, running a software emulation of the IOP (IO Processor, which is also used for running PS1 games).
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Re: News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License
« Reply #209 on: November 13, 2017, 05:00:31 AM »
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this thread is everything wrong with the amiga scene.

Someone who hates something that somebody else has done that does't appeal to their purist ideals (despite the fact that the moto 68k cores are very different, all have different fpu capabilities, and different mmu implementations), and they just can't stop pointing it out.
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