Just purchased an x5000!

[cpaek72]

Does the SBlive Model SB0200 need drivers? Do you just plug and play?

[amigasociety]

Congrats from a past X1K owner and current X5K owner.  Mine is on as we speak playing IRC and tinkering.  TJ

[klx300r]

@ stevee617

congrats & welcome :pint:

[Acill]

Does the SBlive Model SB0200 need drivers? Do you just plug and play?

Its just plug and play.

[BozzerBigD]

Congrats from a past X1K owner and current X5K owner.  Mine is on as we speak playing IRC and tinkering.  TJ

Any you had a A4000T at some point too! Do you miss it?

[Iggy]

Any you had a A4000T at some point too! Do you miss it?

Who wouldn't?
You'd have to be pretty stupid to sell an A4000 to finance the purchase of an NG machine (even though we have one negative poster on our forums that did just that - totally f'ing dumb).
Lets face it, I'm a big NG supporter, but I've got my A2000 sitting here waiting for a Vampire4.

You CAN support both platforms guys, legacy AND NG. They're not interchangeable or really competition for each other. Legacy runs legacy software damned good when its upgraded a bit, and the MIPS figure of a NG system make ANY legacy system look like a stone age computer.

I have fun revisiting legacy.
But, I get more done with NG (although we really need better productivity software, Odyssey has been a work horse for me but it now needs some upgrading, and we need a decent native word processor, to heck with OO, just give me a modern Amiga word processor).

[Spectre660]

@Iggy

I Cant tell what is real or what is fantasy anymore .

http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2092#p23623

[Iggy]

@Iggy

I Cant tell what is real or what is fantasy anymore .

http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2092#p23623

Reading that made my head hurt.
I'm a relative noob, as I adopted MorphOS first, and then went back and became more familiar with the Amiga.

These ARE 2013 posts, BUT legacy Amiga OS, OS4, and MorphOS all set up their partitions in a similar manner (with a small boot partition, and a larger working partition).

So, wtf was the need for discussion about?
I've never even used OS4, but I'd be willing to bet that setting it up is virtually identical to OS3.1 OR MorphOS.

There's actually some neat flexibility there.
Before I got a bootable SATA controller, I used to boot MorphOS on a small PATA drive, and then switch to a much larger SATA drive once to booting process initialized the drivers I needed for the SATA controller to be recognized.

And again, I'm a relative noob.
I guess there's something to be said for coming of age during the days of more primitive OS' like DOS, or the early process control operating systems I used to have to learn (or CP/M for that matter).
You just f'ing figure it out. Sheesh!

[amigasociety]

Unless you really don't care for older Amiga systems like me.  :hammer:

I started playing with Amiga OS late 2009 early 2010 and come from an Atari arena.

As neat as older Amiga are, my heart was into Atari for legacy stuff or retro stuff.

I have purchased, owned, played with, then sold all sorts of older miggies, including an A4000T.  Bucket of bolts it was.  Just kidding.  hehe

I only rock NG here now and sold all old miggies to pay for my X1K... used that for 3.5 years, sold it, then let 1.5 years go, and was sucked back in for the X5K.

I see the X5K as the final stage of most power miggie NG for many years to come.  I sense that is it for A-Eon making bigger faster and they will work on getting Tabor out the door to the masses.

Maybe in years from now when Amiga OS 4.2 comes out, they will go past X5K but I think that will be long from now.

But yes, I sold all my testing amiga waters out legacy stuff to get the NGs I can actually use everyday for work, to some degree.

TJ

Who wouldn't?
You'd have to be pretty stupid to sell an A4000 to finance the purchase of an NG machine (even though we have one negative poster on our forums that did just that - totally f'ing dumb).

[stevee617]

I'd still have my A4000 machine, but sometimes, life gets in the way and you have to make hard decisions. My A4000 was pretty nice. The only thing left to get was a good accelerator card, that never happened. The prices on A4000s are getting up there, so I was on the fence. Do I buy a now 20+ year old machine (and deal with potential capacitor replacement, possible battery leakage) and upgrade it or do I go with something new? I decided to go with the new machine. It hasn't come in yet, so I really don;t know what I'm in for. The folks I've talked to tell me it's an awesome computer.

Computers have come an appliance. I want a fun computer again. I spent countless hours on my A2000 tinkering, upgrading, tweaking the Workbench, etc... I don;t think I'll be able to do that with the x5000, but I think it will be "fun" again.

I also didn't expect the backlash I've gotten from Classic users regarding my purchase on other social media sites. I've been called everything except a gentleman and a scholar. I've owned my fair share of classic systems. I enjoyed everyone and I'm still a die hard fan.

Who wouldn't?
You'd have to be pretty stupid to sell an A4000 to finance the purchase of an NG machine (even though we have one negative poster on our forums that did just that - totally f'ing dumb).
Lets face it, I'm a big NG supporter, but I've got my A2000 sitting here waiting for a Vampire4.

You CAN support both platforms guys, legacy AND NG. They're not interchangeable or really competition for each other. Legacy runs legacy software damned good when its upgraded a bit, and the MIPS figure of a NG system make ANY legacy system look like a stone age computer.

I have fun revisiting legacy.
But, I get more done with NG (although we really need better productivity software, Odyssey has been a work horse for me but it now needs some upgrading, and we need a decent native word processor, to heck with OO, just give me a modern Amiga word processor).

[kreciu]

I see the X5K as the final stage of most power miggie NG for many years to come.  I sense that is it for A-Eon making bigger faster and they will work on getting Tabor out the door to the masses.

Maybe in years from now when Amiga OS 4.2 comes out, they will go past X5K but I think that will be long from now.

It also think the same. In same way X5K is way more then we can handle at the time. We need software to make this computer useful. It is like having access to super computer but no way to use it.

I personally will stick with my A1200 Classic and someday will get A1222. That way I will keep my "old way" and pick up some new to keep ball rolling...

[Iggy]

It also think the same. In same way X5K is way more then we can handle at the time. We need software to make this computer useful. It is like having access to super computer but no way to use it.

I personally will stick with my A1200 Classic and someday will get A1222. That way I will keep my "old way" and pick up some new to keep ball rolling...

Interesting point of view, but I'm beginning to have doubts about our current direction.
The X5000 has worse video card performance than the X1000, and it has less PCI-E lanes than the X1000.
And the X1000 itself only has about half the PCI-E lanes of a PCI-E PowerMac G5 from late 2005 (18 vs 32).
Tabor has Gen1.1 PCI-E lanes like the SAM460, and like the SAM only four are connected to the video card.
And Tabor's e500v2 cored P1022 cpu is 32 bit, unlike the X1000, the X5000, and the G5 which are all 64 bit CPUs.
Then there are the fpu issues, the G5 and the PA6T in the X1000 both had very competent standard fpus with AltiVec instructions, the P50XX CPUs in the X5000 have an adequate fpu but they are missing  the AltiVec instructions, and the P1022 in Tabor has a stripped down fpu with non-standard instructions and again no AltiVec.

So since 2005, we've moved from a quad core 2.5 GHz 64 bit system with AltiVec in a standard FPU  on a board that supported 32 PCI-E lanes to a 1.2 GHz dual core 32 bit system with a non-standard fpu on a board with what about 5 PCI-E lanes (might be a few more, I haven't checked).
And this is the 'progress' that's going to carry us into the future.
Somewhere Jay Miner is laughing his ass off.:hammer:

[kreciu]

So since 2005, we've moved from a quad core 2.5 GHz 64 bit system with AltiVec in a standard FPU  on a board that supported 32 PCI-E lanes to a 1.2 GHz dual core 32 bit system with a non-standard fpu on a board with what about 5 PCI-E lanes (might be a few more, I haven't checked).
And this is the 'progress' that's going to carry us into the future.
Somewhere Jay Miner is laughing his ass off.:hammer:

When I want amazing hardware I'm going to use PC (sorry people!).

Unfortunately I have ZERO influence on this what kind of hardware will be produced for AmigaOS (or any hardware produced for any Amiga!), so if A1222 will be available for good price, I will get it to have something to run AmigaOS4.1 with reasonable speed.

Blizzard PPC was released 20 years ago, AmigaOS4.1 "few years" ago, this system should be delivered with Blizzard PPC. So, when you search for "reasonable"... .

Additionally, I have not idea what X1000 vs X5000 is different "that way". I'm not behind this decision, and most likely this is what is POSSIBLE today. So, I'm happy with this what is POSSIBLE and most likely reasonable at this moment . I actually can buy NEW hardware for AmigaOS! AMAZING.

[fishy_fiz]

Computers have come an appliance. I want a fun computer again. I spent countless hours on my A2000 tinkering, upgrading, tweaking the Workbench, etc... I don;t think I'll be able to do that with the x5000, but I think it will be "fun" again.

I see this sentiment from time to time and the blindsightedness of it baffles me.
Its all down to usage. You dont need to buy an obscure, expensive, underpowered computer to have fun with them. Other than running one particular offshoot of amigaos and emptying your bank account there's *nothing* that cant be done on any other system.
What the x5000 does is forces people to explore a few different fun facets of computing that they might otherwise ignore, much like a raspberry pi.
Also, in regards to how "quick" it is, well, yes, any system running an amiga-oid system will appear quick. Real software however will show its no quicker than 10-15 year old ppc macs. People claim theres no software to take advantage of the power anyway,..... nonsense, theres plenty of software already that doesnt perform well enough for my tastes. Emulation, compiling, video encoding, software gl via wazp3d, even webbrowsing at times. Video encoding/decoding and so on and so forth. All genuinely underwhelming for this day and age.

Now that said and done, the simple fact is its the best vehicle for OS4, so the above is all moot to a point.
The inspiration for the post was reading the same old head in the sand justifications/excuses/inaccuracies people spew when it comes to OS4/x5000.
If its of interest buy it, even enjoy it, but dont make up justifications and/or subscribe to delusions just because it doesnt compare to mainstream hardware.

[Iggy]

I see this sentiment from time to time and the blindsightedness of it baffles me.
Its all down to usage. You dont need to buy an obscure, expensive, underpowered computer to have fun with them. Other than running one particular offshoot of amigaos and emptying your bank account there's *nothing* that cant be done on any other system.
What the x5000 does is forces people to explore a few different fun facets of computing that they might otherwise ignore, much like a raspberry pi.
Also, in regards to how "quick" it is, well, yes, any system running an amiga-oid system will appear quick. Real software however will show its no quicker than 10-15 year old ppc macs. People claim theres no software to take advantage of the power anyway,..... nonsense, theres plenty of software already that doesnt perform well enough for my tastes. Emulation, compiling, video encoding, software gl via wazp3d, even webbrowsing at times. Video encoding/decoding and so on and so forth. All genuinely underwhelming for this day and age.

Now that said and done, the simple fact is its the best vehicle for OS4, so the above is all moot to a point.
The inspiration for the post was reading the same old head in the sand justifications/excuses/inaccuracies people spew when it comes to OS4/x5000.
If its of interest buy it, even enjoy it, but dont make up justifications and/or subscribe to delusions just because it doesnt compare to mainstream hardware.

NO, its NOT the best platform for running OS4, in fact the X1000 outperforms the X5000 in several areas.
Its the best you're allowed to buy.
And 10-12 year old Macs, like the late 2005 G5? If OS4 was ported to that it would run rings around either the X1000 or the X5000. Faster processors, with the AltiVec instructions the X5000 lacks, better memory band width, and a boat load more PCI-E lanes.
The X5000 can run one video card in an X4 PCI-E Gen 2 slot, the X1000 can run one video card in an X16 Gen 1 PCI-E slot or two video cards in dual X8 PCI-e slots.
The G5 has one PCI-E X16 slot , one PCI-E X8 slot, and two PCI-E X4 slots.
It would run dual video cards BETTER than the X1000, and if you were weird enough to do it, you could run FOUR video cards in that.
Or use the two X4 slots for things like SATA3 controllers or USB3.0 cards.

So it not that its "its no quicker than 10-15 year old ppc macs" its slower (2.0 to 2.2 GHz without AltiVec vs. 2.5 GHz with Altivec), and the Mac has better expansion capability.

Progress....right? And it only to 12 years, but were getting better, after all Tabor will move us from 64 bit cpus with a standard fpu (albeit without AltiVec) to a 32 bit cpu with a non-standard fpu that operates at less than half the speed of the G5, and only slightly more than half the speed of the X5000.

And people think this will be adequate. Personally, a new release with performance that might not even match an Eyetech AmigaOnes is not progress to me.

And the asking price will be about the same as the Pegasos 2 commanded.
That price is low, but it reminds me of a joke I once heard about Kmart "Hey, you know, if they really wanted to screw you, they would have sold you TWO pairs of those lime green polyester pants for the same price".

[Hans_]

NO, its NOT the best platform for running OS4, in fact the X1000 outperforms the X5000 in several areas.
Its the best you're allowed to buy.

True. It's a real shame that supply of the PA6T CPU at an acceptable price was killed when Apple bought up PA-Semi. At least Freescale (now NXP) committed to longer-term supply of the P50x0 and P10xx. They're not desktop class CPUs (which are hard to find in the PowerPC world), but they're available at an okay price.

Progress....right? And it only to 12 years, but were getting better, after all Tabor will move us from 64 bit cpus with a standard fpu (albeit without AltiVec) to a 32 bit cpu with a non-standard fpu that operates at less than half the speed of the G5, and only slightly more than half the speed of the X5000.

People have been asking for a low-cost low-end board; this is it.

And people think this will be adequate. Personally, a new release with performance that might not even match an Eyetech AmigaOnes is not progress to me.

You don't honestly think that it'll be slower in general use than an A1-XE do you? Sure, the A1-XE G4 had altivec, but it's data buses (memory, AGP, PCI) were all very slow compared to Tabor.

Hans