AmigaWorld.de OS3.X patches gone! - Thanks Hyperion!

[madgrizzle]

We could ask about Vesalia how many Amiga OS3.9 CDs they have sold last months? I would bet that not many.

I'm certainly not a perfectly straight arrow, but I bought OS3.9 from Vesalia about two months ago.

[utri007]

Speak for yourself. The pirated files shouldn't be available online to begin with. Do you think the war on drugs should be stopped just because drugs are still available? Crazy logic. An IP holder is always going to protect their IP and people WILL get prosecuted for giving away illegally pirated software!

It wasn't statement, I was just pointing out obvious.

[gregthecanuck]

@gregthecanuck

That's not your call to make is it. If the Apollo Team want a better experience for THEIR hardware customers they should approach Hyperion and get a bundled distro to sell WITH the Vampire. If they're not bothered individual customers should NOT resort to piracy, should buy copies of OS3.9 from Vesalia or wherever.

Hey BozzerBigD -

My suggestions for how to handle OS3.x going forward are meant to solve a general supply issue overall, not just for Vampire users.

For example, I have an Amiga 3000 that I am rebuilding and want to do a re-install. Also have an A2000, a couple of 4000s, etc... To get the latest OS3.x installed is a huge pain in the ass. I have to buy/download/patch various pieces from all over the freaking WORLD.

I would like to get able to buy an updated distribution (ideally with updated ROMs) that I could install onto these machines. This would include all the fixes that have previously been patched in, such as scsi.device updates for large drives/partitions, layers library updates and the loads of other updates and patches that have been added on as boing bags and other crap. Way too much pain.

In addition, a supported and updated distribution would then open the door for supporting NEW hardware coming out, both for Vampire users, Jen's new A1200 reloaded system, and whatever other new hardware comes out in the future.

And FYI the Vampire team DID try to work with Hyperion but got a pretty cool reception. However as more and more Vampires go out the door I think Hyperion may be taking a second look... who knows...

Cheers!

[kolla]

Do you think the war on drugs should be stopped just because drugs are still available?

Yes please, because the war on drugs is killing a LOT more people than the drugs themselves, plus it is a huge waste of tax payers money.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

For example, I have an Amiga 3000 that I am rebuilding and want to do a re-install. Also have an A2000, a couple of 4000s, etc... To get the latest OS3.x installed is a huge pain in the ass. I have to buy/download/patch various pieces from all over the freaking WORLD.

I would like to get able to buy an updated distribution (ideally with updated ROMs) that I could install onto these machines. This would include all the fixes that have previously been patched in, such as scsi.device updates for large drives/partitions, layers library updates and the loads of other updates and patches that have been added on as boing bags and other crap. Way too much pain.

This. All of this. Amigakit and others already sell pre-installed 4GB CF cards with 3.1, nice and legal. If the rights-holders for 3.9 did the same thing, maybe on an 8GB card with PFS, USB support (Poseidon), an updated TCP/IP stack, all of the BB updates... Maybe include a few other proven beneficial features (the Peter K. icon.library comes to mind)... This would sure make adoption of that version a lot easier.

Almost every week I see posts from people who want to install 3.9 but are having issues (like not having a CD drive, making the ERD, etc.). Sure would make it a lot easier!

...wishful thinking, I know.

[dovegrace]

Very much all of that.

I wracked my brain trying to resurrect my long-dead 4000D a couple of months ago, and found it to be a pain in the ass having to search through years of forum posts, links, etc to see why stuff didn't work, where to find this patch, where to find that update,  Here's the official boing bags, here's the unofficial ones... et cetera et cetera.

Just b*tching.

[cgutjahr]

If the rights-holders for 3.9 did the same thing

There is no "rights-holder" for 3.9. H&P used to be be the rights holder, but their license from AInc was revoked ages ago (and would have expired by now anyway). Now Cloanto and Hyperion have rights to AmigaOS <=3.1, H&P owns the documentation, the new installer and a bunch of prefs programs (re)written for 3.9 while all other improvements and additions are owned by the external authors who wrote them.

[motrucker]

There is no "rights-holder" for 3.9. H&P used to be be the rights holder, but their license from AInc was revoked ages ago (and would have expired by now anyway). Now Cloanto and Hyperion have rights to AmigaOS <=3.1, H&P owns the documentation, the new installer and a bunch of prefs programs (re)written for 3.9 while all other improvements and additions are owned by the external authors who wrote them.

This is my understanding of this mess too. I just realized the CD that had my BB collection on it has vanished. Great timing.
Does anyone remember Franko? he used to assert that he own the rights to the OS. Maybe he wasn't kidding......
Where is he these days.

[guest11527]

There is no "rights-holder" for 3.9. H&P used to be be the rights holder, but their license from AInc was revoked ages ago (and would have expired by now anyway).

That, and some rights fell back to the corresponding authors pretty early.

Now Cloanto and Hyperion have rights to AmigaOS <=3.1, H&P owns the documentation, the new installer and a bunch of prefs programs (re)written for 3.9 while all other improvements and additions are owned by the external authors who wrote them.

It pretty much depends on the outcome of idividual negotiations between the authors and H&P at this time, and ongoing development in the aftermath of 3.9.

Only the authors know exactly what they negotiated with H&P, so one cannot tell in general.

[number6]

I know I'll regret this...

Does anyone remember Franko? he used to assert that he own the rights to the OS. Maybe he wasn't kidding......
Where is he these days.

Search his real name or Mad Franko 008. He's not trying to hide really.

#6

[Lord Aga]

Franko is the hero Amigans need, but don't deserve.

He's OK. I spoke to him recently.