AmigaWorld.de OS3.X patches gone! - Thanks Hyperion!

[wawrzon]

@Oldsmobile_Mike

 anyway the site owner decided to throw a tantrum and took everything offline instead of just removing the four files and now everyone is pissed and blaming hyperion.

-- eliyahu

i really love that. each time a vivid os4 supporter gets disapointed by some odd action reaching beyond his own sentiment and, at least for a while, refrains from further engagement, which is, in fact not a duty, but his very own responsibility and (last but not least) some risk, he immediately gets accused as throwing tantrums, not being supportive enough, treachery and all kinds of stuff .. by the former fellow supporters. well, guys, maybe you are talking to a mirror or a future yourself? there is enough examples of such an awakening..

[utri007]

i really love that. each time a vivid os4 supporter gets disapointed by some odd action reaching beyond his own sentiment and, at least for a while, refrains from further engagement, which is, in fact not a duty, but his very own responsibility and (last but not least) some risk, he immediately gets accused as throwing tantrums, not being supportive enough, treachery and all kinds of stuff .. by the former fellow supporters. well, guys, maybe you are talking to a mirror or a future yourself? there is enough examples of such an awakening..

OK, what would be right term to describe that action? Request to remove 4 files and then take whole site down?

[gregthecanuck]

@olsen/Thomas Richter

As usual thanks for your insights into the 3.x internals.

[beakster2]

It cannot stay that way indefinitely: making the operating system more friendly towards the use of today's hardware rather than having the developers spent an awful amount of time jumping through hoops, will have to happen.

So I guess we are talking about bringing AROS 68k to the point where it can be used as everyone's main operating system(bugfixes/optimisation).  Or waiting until the Copyright expires on OS3.1 (70 years?) so the leaked source code can be expanded upon.  I wonder which will happen first.

[olsen]

So I guess we are talking about bringing AROS 68k to the point where it can be used as everyone's main operating system(bugfixes/optimisation).  Or waiting until the Copyright expires on OS3.1 (70 years?) so the leaked source code can be expanded upon.  I wonder which will happen first.

Well, there could be a "door #3", too

[gregthecanuck]

@olsen

PPC interpreter for 68K?    

[wawrzon]

@olsen

PPC interpreter for 68K?    

for what? petunia?

[gregthecanuck]

for what? petunia?

It was a joke my friend - sure call it patricia - PPC interpreter. I was insinuating that 68K could run 'old' PPC code in backwards compatibility mode.   PPC = Zombie/undead platform,    68K = Rising from the dead

A bad attempt at humour/trolling, keeping in spirit of this thread.

Olsen and his door #3 tease is nice to see. Maybe some progress happening in the background.

[wawrzon]

Olsen and his door #3 tease is nice to see. Maybe some progress happening in the background.

good thing that where there are doors wide open there always is one locked up, you can  listen at and speculate, if there are rumours behind. thats always most interesting. things that actually happen out there are boring.

[Iggy]

Well, there could be a "door #3", too

Back to that, what IS the third option?

[gregthecanuck]

Back to that, what IS the third option?

In my mind open-sourcing OS3 and controlling it in a similar manner as Linux. There simply isn't enough money in OS3 to pay for multiple full-time developers. However there is likely a way to cover the expenses of one "gatekeeper" that reviews/accepts changes to the main tree of an official supported distribution. This opens the door to multiple contributors and sponsored/bounty updates.

This could be funded by simply charging royalties for retail/bundled distribution.

Hey it could work if there are enough calm heads prevailing.

I would also suggest this should be a model for OS4 going forward but that will likely open a COSTCO-sized can of worms.  

[beakster2]

Well, there could be a "door #3", too

I remember seeing OS4.0 beta running fully 68k many years ago so I'm going to guess OS4.1FE compiled for 68k is the "door #3".  Hyperion motivated by the new breed of Vampire FPGA accelerators which are only going to keep getting faster.  More people to sell operating systems to.

[utri007]

Amiga 68k is lost cause. People are not ready to pay for software. I have seen lots of shameless cry-outs when somebody ask about 10 euros his/her work.

We could ask about Vesalia how many Amiga OS3.9 CDs they have sold last months? I would bet that not many. Vampire users just pirate OS3.9.  There hasn't been lots of 68030 accelerators for A500/A600 wich would allow them to run OS3.5/9 previously. So most of A500/A600 has been stuck for OS3.1.

[BozzerBigD]

Vampire users just pirate OS3.9

Speak for yourself. The pirated files shouldn't be available online to begin with. Do you think the war on drugs should be stopped just because drugs are still available? Crazy logic. An IP holder is always going to protect their IP and people WILL get prosecuted for giving away illegally pirated software!

[BozzerBigD]

@gregthecanuck

That's not your call to make is it. If the Apollo Team want a better experience for THEIR hardware customers they should approach Hyperion and get a bundled distro to sell WITH the Vampire. If they're not bothered individual customers should NOT resort to piracy, should buy copies of OS3.9 from Vesalia or wherever.

[madgrizzle]

We could ask about Vesalia how many Amiga OS3.9 CDs they have sold last months? I would bet that not many.

I'm certainly not a perfectly straight arrow, but I bought OS3.9 from Vesalia about two months ago.