Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4

[Iggy]

You don't need to make this excuse everytime Vampire fails.
Floating point routines have been a part of our software base for decades.

[clusteruk]

Sadly you do with Adpro if you do not have a 68000 :-(

An incomplete FPU emulation and a bad JPEG implementation working hand in hand. You don't need an FPU for JPEG.

[clusteruk]

Amiga emulation on Raspberry Pi out performs all my Amiga's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HZXM6cLVUg

If you feel emotionally attached to Amiga hardware, the Apollo  And even a Raperri Pi might do the trick.

[kolla]

An incomplete FPU emulation and a bad JPEG implementation working hand in hand. You don't need an FPU for JPEG.

I know, but legacy software being what it is, that is how it works.

I am more puzzled by the occasional 8000000B errors that sometimes may pop up during filesystem validation (FFS).

[Pat the Cat]

An incomplete FPU emulation and a bad JPEG implementation working hand in hand. You don't need an FPU for JPEG.

Correct, I used to load and save JPEGs fine on a standard A2000...

... Kolla, where did you get your copy of AdPro from? It should not behave like that...

... although femu is very new, so the problem could lie there. Or perhaps the combination is the source of the error messages.

Sadly you do with Adpro if you do not have a 68000 :-(

WTF? Am I the last Amigan with an original copy? AdPro FPU versions were fine up to and including 68040 based Amigas. Never tried 060.

(deeply puzzled)
 
 Have you the FPU version of AdPro installed? Always included with the install, which defaults to 68000. Use Expert Install to get the FPU version, or drag the icons from floppy to a current install (

[Wayne]

Amiga emulation on Raspberry Pi out performs all my Amiga's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HZXM6cLVUg

Well done video, and actually something that looks like it'd be fun to have to play with.  Still have no idea what I'd actually DO with it, but it looks like fun..

Wayne

[Gulliver]

Great video.

Thanks

[Iggy]

Well done video, and actually something that looks like it'd be fun to have to play with.  Still have no idea what I'd actually DO with it, but it looks like fun..

Wayne

What? You don't do what I do, struggle to get it set up and working and then immediately move on to another project?
You actually DO things with your hardware? :roflmao:

[David Wright]

He is communicating perfectly well, it's what he is communicating that is the issue.

He is a big fish in a small pond. There are loads of people in the world that could do what he is doing or are even better than him. But they are too busy earning money.

Normally it would then come down to it being a hobby where you appeal to the greatest audience, but he's not interested in that either.

It's a bit like how Trumps supporters in the US have enabled him to be in a position that he is not capable of dealing with. Sure the US is likely to survive Trump, and the apollo products are being released. It will just be less good than it could have been. Trump may have actually been a decent president if his supporters weren't alt right, sexist, racist, biggots etc as he would have more reason to appeal to decent people.

If you are going to insult us, get it right. You spelled bigot wrong.

[NorthWay]

The Vampire and Apollo core are massive achievements. Well impressive and a prod in the back to others that there are possibilities (and a market that might be cornered if thumbs are twiddles too much).

But I can't for the life of me understand why they expect sw developers to thrive and flock to it when they throw out the best debug tools with the inherent design.WTF seems wholly appropriate here.

[Niding]

Amiga emulation on Raspberry Pi out performs all my Amiga's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HZXM6cLVUg

Very well made video. Thanks for sharing

[guest11527]

I am more puzzled by the occasional 8000000B errors that sometimes may pop up during filesystem validation (FFS).

The FFS certainly does not use the FPU. It goes through the utility.library for some 64bit math, though. The Guru is a line-F trap, though the long arithmetic is in line 4. Hard to say what goes wrong there.

[ferrellsl]

...they throw out the best debug tools with the inherent design.
 WTF seems wholly appropriate here.

What tools are you referring to and why do you say they were thrown out?

[NorthWay]

What tools are you referring to and why do you say they were thrown out?

Enforcer and Angel type tools, which are kinda essential to catch many classes of bugs. If you want to use 68080 features then you can't really debug them on a 68060/40 machine either.

"Thrown out" because Gunnar - as far as I understand it and have seen it re-told - does not want to support a Motorola-compatible MMU as it will add slowdowns to memory accesses. A full-blown MMU will have to sit as a filter in-between the cpu and memory, whether it results in slowdowns or not. And it seems Gunnar chose speed.

I don't see myself getting any Apollo powered product without an MMU as I know I'm by far not fault-free enough to do without the tools, and there is plenty enough sw out there that is no better.

[ferrellsl]

Enforcer and Angel type tools, which are kinda essential to catch many classes of bugs. If you want to use 68080 features then you can't really debug them on a 68060/40 machine either.

"Thrown out" because Gunnar - as far as I understand it and have seen it re-told - does not want to support a Motorola-compatible MMU as it will add slowdowns to memory accesses. A full-blown MMU will have to sit as a filter in-between the cpu and memory, whether it results in slowdowns or not. And it seems Gunnar chose speed.

I don't see myself getting any Apollo powered product without an MMU as I know I'm by far not fault-free enough to do without the tools, and there is plenty enough sw out there that is no better.

Ah, I see.  I'm a C/C++ developer so I wasn't even thinking about assembler tools.  I wonder if Philippe Flype who wrote CPUMon080 used some tools available only to the Vampire team to debug and test his code.  I can't imagine he wrote this tool without a debugger as it was written in 100% assembly.  I know he used DevPac 3.18 and here is his code: http://www.apollo-accelerators.com/files/CPUMon080_summer17.s

The Apollo core has an MMU which is not compatible with current 68K CPUs, but Gunnar hasn't released any info on how to access it.  I'm wondering if he's written or modified some tools to use it?

[kolla]

But who would buy a Vampire if it came with a core that is slower, but fully replicates existing 040 or 060?