AmigaOne clones?

[L8-X]

Had a dig around and this is what is said on the Eyetech site......

Is the AmigaOneG3-SE the same as the MAI Teron Cx? No. During the period leading up to the OS4 development agreement being signed we evaluated the Articia S northbridge chip for possible use in a redesigned AmigaOne. We concluded that it was the most cost-effective chip for the design and proceeded to draw up some new specifications for an uprated, more cost-effectively engineered AmigaOne, the AmigaOneG3-SE. Clearly using the Articia S instead of Escena's custom northbridge design meant that both the schematic design and the PCB layout would be entirely new. MAI logic are a chipset manufacturer, not a PPC motherboard manufacturer, but they had commissioned a low volume, high cost evaluation board, the Teron Cx, to help sell their chipsets. The Teron Cx was never designed to, or intended to, go into volume production. We therefore asked them if they could recommend a design company who was familiar with using the Articia S in PPC motherboard design. They recommended the same (Far Eastern) company that designed their Teron Cx evaluation board.

The new Eyetech AmigaOne design obviously shares a lot of commonality with the Teron Cx board, but more than a cursory glance at the specifications (ATA speed, integrated ethernet, custom firmware, number of active PCI/AGP slots etc) - and the price - of both boards should be enough to convince most people that they really are different designs.

However if you remain unconvinced you are of course perfectly welcome to purchase the Teron Cx evaluation board. It costs $3900, misses many features of the AmigaOneG3-SE, and won't run OS4.

@Fats

My explanation wasn`t explained very well!  :-)

[L8-X]

As a sidenote, I would have loved to have seen the A1200 pci bridgeboard, (access to all my lovely demos) but sadly it was not to be. :-(

[Warface]

Or is there proove that the cheaper boards existed before the contacts between Eyetech and MAI ?

Don't know the details, but prior to Teron being AmigaONE the pricing was depending on volume at MAI's site. The (very high) price was for one unit, and if you order in volume you get discount. It's usual business practice, however exact prices were not disclosed, just "call us" or something instead. I really have no idea how deep Eyetech was involved (if any) in Teron/Articia evolution.

[Trezzer]

I am sick of Unstable Windows, I'll never go the Mac (one button mouse?? COME ON)...  The A1  is the only viable alternative to me.  Except maybe Linux on any platform.  But family and friends wont accept linux, plus it's great for servers but still needs work for end users.  

Oh please..  just plug in a 16-button mouse then. I use a logitech optical 3-button mouse in OS X and all the buttons work out of the box.

OS X is /the/ usable *nix on a desktop.

That said..  I'm still looking forward to OS 4 8-)

[420Dude]

I signed the petition as you all (that haven't yet ) should.

a good analogy for our situation:

its not just the "strain" that decides the end results; that is only latent potential..

what brings max yield is the consideration of the following factors

1. temperature
2. ph level
3.aeration
4.nutrients
     5. complete flush of growing medium 10 days before harvest (to remove taste/aroma of nutrients)
(for the ever-best (award winning) strains info: www.hightimes.com)

now, what in the world does this have to do with AmigaONE? thats up to you to speculate. you can look at it from any angle..

but is it speculation that can prove Eye-tech is our best prospect instead of offering/auctioning a shot for anyone that thinks they can?  wouln't it be better for all interested to compete for the best results (that Wayne will give verdicts upon?)

besides whats the big deal for BIll McEwin to authorize/negotiate HALs for any new )(not to mention existing)  board standards- as a  priority high and above producing cell-phone games for microsoft?   wasn't it all supposed to be write once run anywhere?

if somebody really has thorough understanding on  what is happenning at this moment and what can be done (petitions are a great way to influence awarenesses/perception)
If Bill McE is really the big bastard...if its really true...anybody come across him... F**k him up and send him on his way!  :-x  :-x  :-x  :-x  :-x  :-x  :-x  :-(  :-o  :-(  :-x

[Rogue]

Same old discussion again. You just don't get it do you?

Why do you think that it would be in Hyperion's or Amiga Inc's interest to "keep OS4 on one board"? Does the CyberStorm and Blizzard not count?

Can you give me one example of a reaily-available, affordable, non-Mac PPC machine that would justify the effort of porting AmigaOS?

No, Pegasos isn't. Out of different reasons.

No, Barbie isn't. You can't buy it as far as I see.

No, POP isn't either. The POP boards that are available (if at all) are rather expensive.

So what is the use of this whole whining and petition writing anyway?

[Rogue]

But the hardware isn't POP. The only POP hardware available is way too expensive. Get over it.

[T_Bone]

Paul_Gadd wrote:

I just pointed out that your avatar is copyrighted material that you have no right to use. I guess Wayne will notice sooner or later.

Yes Wayne should remove 100s of copyrighted images/avatars from this site unless you are trying to state an image from Amiga.com is the only copyrighted image which should be removed,

The coupon is legal to display, after all, you bought it. If someone wants to throw a fit, offer to show them your reciept.

[Rogue]

Childish...

Everyone can get a licence. Stop making claims you cannot back up.

[Rogue]

Skyraker wrote:

It's not FUD, it's just my opinion, i have no insider knowledge or any special powers like that, just the way i see it.... this is a forum after all...

Oh yes, it is. You have stated that Amiga Inc will not give a licence to anyone, without any knowledge or prove to back this up. You didn't even bother to say "in my opinion". You stated it as fact, and there are enough narrow-minded people out there that will swallow this.

I just don't think you'll see any clones until Eyetech has covered their outlay.... tbh do you blame them?

Sky.

I think this is again an indication of one of the fundamential issues in the amiga "community": Everyone grabs a piece of hearsay and posts this somewhere as a glorified news item. Everyone has picked his side already, so he hails all news from his side as truth and from the other side as lies.

Facts? Why bother with them.

The petition business is a good example. No one acknowledges the work it takes to actually make the thing, no one acknowledges the amount of work required to actually *support* this thing. Do you honestly believe that you can tell a customer "sorry we don't officially support your Hardware" or "No, we didn't get any official documentation from Apple, so we can't say what your problem is"? Do you think that this will be a customer for your next product?

No. If you want to keep the support effort in any kind of financially bearable framework, you need to restrict the options. Otherwise you can forget about it.

Of course it is aways easier to bash. (Or to use f-words on Bill McEwen, like in this other post. Can't you use civilized language? )

[strobe]

This Mac user usually has four mouse buttons. The key to the Mac interface is it doesn't REQUIRE more than one mouse button so you avoid craptacular interfaces like S-Plus on windoze which require special right-click combination gestures.

Loser...

[Warface]

@Rogue:

"Of course it is aways easier to bash." Exactly, as you bash the community. What's happening, "I think this is again an indication of one of the fundamential issues in the amiga "community"": they will support you as long as you sided with Amiga Inc, and piss you off when you are not. Wishing you will not have the same fate as Haage und Partner.

This community is a rather interesting one. But anyway, these ppl are the market. Looking at it, the only potential purchasers of AmigaOS4 and the AmigaONE. Convince them, instead of bashing them. Sure, there will remain plenty who will support you whatever you do, but the rest will go away. And those supporting you whatever you do will support you just because you act in name of the Holy Office. May easily became your enemies next day.

Look at where Haage und Partner is now, with their anti piracy measures, OS development, applications. They managed to knock out competition, gain control, they were the backbone of Amiga. They are now public enemy.

[neofree]

Minion:

Well, I never said I liked IBM.    But then again I really don't like HP all that much either.  I worked for Compaq before the merger.  They were very nice to their employees.

Neofree

[Skyraker]

@l8-x

Now that sounds like development to me, albeit not on the same scale as the Pegasos. oh yeah, thats just my opinion not a fact....

[Alkemyst]

ppl are focusing too much on the Protection to why they have no choice of PPC mobos to run Aos4 on.

If anyone thinks that the dongle code in the Aos4 rom is to just restrict choice & keep MAI & Eyetech the only mobo providers for AOS4
are ignoring the FACTS.

Even with out the protection code, Aos4 will still not run on the pegasos or any other PPC mobo that may come onto the market
unless Hyperiona gets a mobo & docs to write an amiga HAL for that mobo.

This is not the PC x86 market where a standard has been set.
Like write OS once for x86 & should work on all x86 mobos.

There is yet to be a standard set for PPC.

So infact they would not have to go Through all the trouble of a dongle to restrict choice.
They would just have to not write any HAL's for any other PPC mobos when they come to market.

So what would be the point in Making as much of Aos4 source code in portable C & having HAL Hardware Abstraction Layer if the whole plan is to run it on one mobo type.


And im not going to explain to ppl what a HAL is for.

The info is on the net for thoese who want to know.


I would say that seehund is doing more harm then good with his petition.

By taking his petition on to more general computing forums besides amigaonly one.
makes us look like a bunch of fanatics.

Any any ppl who are not still with the amiga or ppl who come across his petition,
either would be putoff by the bickering & think sod that im stay with MY PC/MAC or agree with the petitions
And say Sod that im not supporting Amiga.inc if they do that & will stay with his PC/MAC.

Most Terrorist do things for a good course but i think most would agree that thats not the way to go about it.

[Tigger]

Alkemyst wrote:
ppl are focusing too much on the Protection to why they have no choice of PPC mobos to run Aos4 on.

If anyone thinks that the dongle code in the Aos4 rom is to just restrict choice & keep MAI & Eyetech the only mobo providers for AOS4
are ignoring the FACTS.

Even with out the protection code, Aos4 will still not run on the pegasos or any other PPC mobo that may come onto the market
unless Hyperiona gets a mobo & docs to write an amiga HAL for that mobo.

You are the one ignoring the facts, Terrasoft sells the identical MAI motherboard for $150 less, without the magic amiga dongle of doom.   It will run on that board, period if not for the dongle code, it will take the hackers a day to fix that issue.   Despite posting of old Eyetech messages (ie lies) lets be real clear hear, Eyetech is a distributer for MAI boards in this case, thats it.   The other MAI boards dont work with AmigaOS because Eyetech put a dongle on the board, period.

So infact they would not have to go Through all the trouble of a dongle to restrict choice.
They would just have to not write any HAL's for any other PPC mobos when they come to market.

So what would be the point in Making as much of Aos4 source code in portable C & having HAL Hardware Abstraction Layer if the whole plan is to run it on one mobo type.

Because when MAI upgrades their board they want to be able to move it to a new one, and MAI will upgrade it because their larger customers (Terrasoft among them) will want it, and little Eyetech will have to move to the new boards or not have boards to sell.   And your comments about the HAL and "portable" C would point to you having less knowledge about those topics then at very least most of the engineers on this board.
    -Tig