Looks like we need more programers

[QuikSanz]

Recently many software houses have gone public code. Mozilla, real, netscape, too many too remember. Maybe a online referance to the right books, material, etc. could help us non programing guys to get with the program and start some real progress.

Chris

[Sidewinder]

It would be great if more people siezed the initiative and started to learn how to program.  It is truely rewarding and the Amiga is a programmer's dream (at least it's mine ;-) ).

The problem, from what I can tell, is time and motivation.  Skwaking about what programs are needed on the Amiga and what new features will need be in the next release of blah, blah, blah doesn't take much time and effort and is seldom very rewarding.

However, turning off the web browser and sitting down to a nice little command line compiler and text editor with a cup of joe, and a good programmer's reference is nearly impossible to get the average forum poster to do--even though it's one of the most rewarding things that you can accomplish with a computer.

Why is this?  It's not like it is difficult to find a good programming package like Louise's GCC setup or H&P's StormC++ 3 on theDev CD .  Documentation abounds in Louise's web site and in his archive, and the Dev CD doesn't cost that much.  So what is it about real, nuts and bolts programming that frightens away the average Amiga user?
 
:-?

[QuikSanz]

Thanks for the links and info. Too bad that people don't want to get into this, but maybe there are more out there than one would think. Maybe we could have some of these referances & links on A-Org on a developer directory just to make it as available as possable. Heck, if an old guy like me can get interested, why not others?

Chris

PS: downloading gcc files while I write this, I love it.

[Kronos]

Somehow I got the feeling that (allmost) every A.org visitor capable of
and interested in developing is allready involved in some kind of project.

Hey there are even some who are completly clueless, but still
start big porting-efforts (which go nowhere  ;-) )

Amiga(Open)Office is the perfect example  :-x

[Sidewinder]

You know, I think you're right Kronos.  Most of the people who are capable are involved already.  I guess that the thing that erks me is that there are so many people willing to complain and so few that are willing to do anything.  Much of it is just life I guess, but it is still pretty lame.

I guess that I wish more people had a "go-get-'em" attitude.  QuikSanz has it right.  QuikSanz, if you need any help learning let me know, I'll be glad to help.

[ShadesOfGrey]

I'm not sure, but wasn't Dave_P (I hope I got the right person) looking to start a web page for Amiga 'ebooks'?  Online books containing information on things like programming, tutorials for , and technical reference.  If he ever gets around to putting it up, it might turn into the kind of place QuikSanz is invisioning.

[QuikSanz]

Sounds like we need more people that are capable
@ Kronos, a little negative are we today. What am I saying? today? Huh. Some of us out here do want to learn more than just winblows.
@ Shades O'Gray, Aarg, your right on the money. A quick referance to good stuff could encourage alot of people. After all the Amiga comunity consists of more than just users.

Chris

[QuikSanz]

@ Sidewinder,
Thanks for support & good spirit. I'll PM you for some direction. It's not easy knowing where to start. My machine should be very capable, see profile. Thanks in advance.

Chris

[Mason]

Kronos wrote:

Amiga(Open)Office is the perfect example  :-x

Yes, that is very sad! Even as I have tons of toolbar gfx for it on my harddisk  :-(

[Kronos]

@QuikSanz

Negative ? Me :-o  Who brought you to that idea ?  :-D  :-D

It is just that I see "Amiga" (incl. AROS,MOS...) with a little bit of realism instead
of the typical "we are back and gone counquer the world"-fans.

I never said that you couldn't learn, but someone who starts on the Amiga-API
today should better not speak about big port like Mozilla for the next 2-3 years.

@Mason
Well, that was the way it had to go with only 3 or 4 really experienced coders.

OT: Thought about doing a smaller Icon for ToT ?
The orginal one is just a bit big to be fitted into AmiDock  :-P

someone who starts to program C/C++/etc today...should not count on doing any worthwile for a while ....it isnt like learning to ride a bike...you  can and do forget...and no it isnt easy to learn to be good at very quickly...

though I do think having better docs is important... and Amiga needs to be better documented in general... DaveP's idea is good...if it was his idea...

[reflect]

if this project.. ie collecting and putting up documentations and reference material need a place to host it (for free) I have a server that can do the job. I've been looking to start coding for a long long time now, but without anyone acting as a .. hm.. ball plank, it's not easy.

Having good material helps alot, having someone to ask for directions when you're totally stuck is even better. I like this initiative and I do hope that it comes into fruition. Some months ago, I was looking for good material, but I didn't find alot, unfortunately..

I start to learn how to code in C 2 weeks ago  :-D , i did some little progrs in ASM  but it was long time ago in a Z80 CPU, and to start i want to try a little ports in MOS camp for now.

I have a GCC setup in a Winbox computer, and everything is working fine, i already tryed in my Amiga but sadly VBCC and GCC never worked fine, maybe my lack of skills in this enviroment  :-) , i allways get erros about some crap missing file  :-(.

Now i have my Pegasos preordered and as soon as i have my mobo working here i will try to setup a GCC MOS, and start to play with.

the bad part about this is, i already joined a MOS-Dev-list, and reading the msgs from this list i start to be come afraid to setup a working GCC package for MOS.

[Mason]

Kronos wrote:
OT: Thought about doing a smaller Icon for ToT ?
The orginal one is just a bit big to be fitted into AmiDock  :-P

Please have a look at this one  :-D

It should perfectly fit for AmiDock (46 x 46 pixels).

Nothing real good on TV tonight ;-)

[Kronos]

@mason

Thanks, but somehow I thought you would come up with something
a bit more hmmm innovative ?  ;-)


@DDJPPC
The setup for GG-MOS is even harder than GG-68k, and a working GG-68k
is strongly advised before you start installing it.

1st you will need to find a complete GG, which ain't easy as the main.-server
is down (any mirrors ?). Following the instructions should be possible.

Alternatives are the old GeekGadgets-CDs which also came with the AOS-
includes, or just buy the latest GoldED which has full GG-support.

I'm waiting to get my copy every day, so that I can get rid of the need for
an extra shell. GoldED is running next to perfect on the Peg, and eventhough
I don't have the JIT (only BT2 here) I did set syntax-highlighting to the
"over 1ghz"-setting without getting any slow-downs.