Author Topic: Looks like we need more programers (Read 9992 times)

« **Reply #29 on:** December 30, 2002, 07:40:13 PM »

@Sidewinder

>What kind of information do you need?

I know this questions is not targed to me but, i will be very happy to see some samples of open windows in wb and full screen also wath is the files needed to do so, maybe some little progs working with MUI interface etc. ;-)

Sidewinder · « **Reply #30 on:** December 30, 2002, 10:54:53 PM »

@Castellen and DDJPPC

Thanks for your input. I'm beginning the document now. I will start it as a beginners document, but try to use a more hand's on approach, instead of repeating verbatum everything that you can find in countless C programming books. Sort of an Amiga C programming by example or something. I'll let you know when I have a draft copy to read. If anyone else has things that they would like to see covered in the document please let me know.

JoannaK · « **Reply #31 on:** December 30, 2002, 11:44:57 PM »

@ Castellen

I'm at Irc with our #1 coder at that time. there were 2 assemblers we used.
- Dasm (by Matt Dillon)
- Frankenstein (multi target assembler.. Can't remember author)

Try this for Frankenstein and this for dasm.

Can't quarantee those are latest versions, though.

(EDIT)

Of course those both are on Aminet too.. :-D

Castellen · « **Reply #32 on:** December 31, 2002, 03:35:17 AM »

Many thanks JoannaK,
I've downloaded those and will give them a try.

The documentation doesn't seem too flash, so there might be a bit of
guess work to start with

JoannaK · « **Reply #33 on:** December 31, 2002, 04:13:17 AM »

No problem.. Let me know if you can't get them to work. I remember making quite decent softwares with them so they should work and make correct code.

tonyw · « **Reply #34 on:** December 31, 2002, 05:42:04 AM »

Castellan, I use the Imagecraft HC11 compiler and IDE. It is pretty good, although it runs under Windows. It's more or less the only reason I use Windows these days.

There is a demo version on their website, I think it lasts for a month before timing out.

I spend a lot of time writing embedded software for the HC11, mainly in C. The few times I have to resort to assembler (like ISRs), I usually write it in C first, then modify the compiler's assembler output for speed.

tony

Sidewinder · « **Reply #35 on:** December 31, 2002, 07:21:27 AM »

Here is the first section of my tutorial. I'd appreciate any constructive criticism you can offer.

« **Reply #36 on:** December 31, 2002, 10:18:50 AM »

@Castellan
You should get a copy of Kernighan & Ritchie (The C Programming Language). A very good book, even though it's a few years old.

(wow, first post!)

Crumb · « **Reply #37 on:** December 31, 2002, 10:27:37 AM »

cycloid:
I've used the StormC IDE and although it's not like MS IDEs is quite nice... I've heard that Hisoft C++ interface is even nicer.

« **Reply #38 on:** December 31, 2002, 01:46:38 PM »

Hi

One very, very important thing most people forget to include is (once the latest GCC is installed) step
by step guide to getting the Amiga NDK include files
working !!!!

This is the MAIN reason why potential developers are leaving !!

No PROPER documentation - for anything - even WITH the developer CD !!

Here is the problems I have with developer tools :

1) Latest GCC on Aminet - old version, no installer, too many confusing downloads.

2) no documentaion to get latest Amiga 3.9 NDK working in GCC.

3) no documentation on creating GUI with OS 3.5+ (reaction) in C. Not even on developer 2.1CD / 3.9 NDK.

4) Developer cd 2.1 mainly has code snippets scattered everywhere mainly for 3.1 gui elements.
No full applications, no step by step examples.

5) No documentation for creating GUI in ReActor - example given does not work.

6) Aminet mainly has GUI creaters for 3.1 at most, mostly consist of unstable, old software -shame really.

ps: personally I cannot get ClickTab function in ReActor. Emperor crashes in WinUAE - unusable.

7) most OS 3.5 features/gadget/classes undocumented for C programmers. Mostly have Autodocs nothing more. no examples.

Developer CDs Storm C 3 - examples don't compile - poor documentation to even use Storms IDE.

9) no developer FAQ, common error solutions etc.

I hate to say it but the Amiga development is NONE EXISTANT, a shambles to put it lightly.

I know lots of work ha been done, poor Olaf working on his own. I'd help if only I knew About Amiga C programming - chicken and the egg !!

Basically we shot ourselves in the foot concerning Amiga development.

Some people think throwing code snippets here and their is all that is needed, not even mentioning code dependancies that are broken.

Im sorry if I offend anyone. truth hurts. that is how I view the situation.

I know C, but the Amiga environment is a totaly different beast.

I hope my critizisms help improve the situation and stop people leaving the platform.

Later, asy

Lando · « **Reply #39 on:** December 31, 2002, 01:50:22 PM »

Yes. Coders are in very short supply - Clickboom has been advertising for Amiga coders to work on their new Amiga titles for ages.

Looks like they have three games in development - Z (conversion of bitmap bros game), N2 (Followup to Napalm RTS game), and 666 (dunno what its about)

So if any 68K assembly coders are reading this and have some spare time and would like to get paid for their work they could do worse than get in touch with clickboom.

Wilse · « **Reply #40 on:** December 31, 2002, 02:19:29 PM »

Quote

Sidewinder wrote:
Here is the first section of my tutorial. I'd appreciate any constructive criticism you can offer.

Well, I'm no programmer but I've read the introduction and lesson one and have to say I'm impressed by your down to earth approach.
Hell, I may even give it a try myself.
Well, after the mayhem and madness we call Hogmanay has died down, that is. ;-)

Piru · « **Reply #41 on:** December 31, 2002, 03:30:01 PM »

DevCD 2.1 contain much useful information, but indeed it is not very useful for beginners.

Basically you need to learn C first and then look into DevCD. Even then you might have major problems.

All I can say is that you need to experiment and experiment some more. Also it would be useful if you can find some friendly coder from IRC (or your fav media) who will reply your (possibly even stupid) questions. Did I already say you need to experiment? Coding is the best way to learn coding... :-)

I had a friend who taught me the basics years ago, who I am forever grateful for his help. We used to sit together and code while the other watched (huh, sounds quite dull eh?). Anyway, few years ago they found out this is one of the best ways to learn coding and improve your skills: See www.extremeprogramming.org. Warning: You'll most likely get labeled "Nerd", if not already. You've been warned... ;-)

Thanks again Marko! :-)

Mike_Amiga · « **Reply #42 on:** December 31, 2002, 03:43:10 PM »

Re: Looks like we need more programers?
Yes we do, don't we. :-D

QuikSanz · « **Reply #43 on:** January 01, 2003, 08:43:11 AM »

@ sidwinder,

Nice start, will get the recomended software "Softhut" install all goodies formentioned, & have at it. I hope you don't mind an IP once & a while because I may be sharp, BUT, not always the sharpest tool in the shed. I look forward to a new challenge. Work is, well, work. That means a PC, DOH. I'm about some diff stuff @ home.

Chris

GPT · « **Reply #44 from previous page:** January 01, 2003, 11:31:26 AM »

I'm one of does that wana begin but can't:

I wana learn to program but I wana learn it in steps, starting with a simple langues like amos.

I have all the programs but I miss the books.

At the precent I'm trying to learn about Arexx, atlest I have a book for that.

Anyone have any suggestions where I can get some books for amos?