X5000 systems

[duffsta]

For me the X5000 price is pretty good. You should see the machine in person its a really  nice system. Its the software that needs work and its happening. You will have a computer that will run Morphs , Os4 , and modern Linux kernels with high end hardware. Supporting things like USB3 and Bluetooth are almost impossible due to finance and size of development teams. USB2 support is fine for Amiga NG.

One thing I want to mention: Anyone can have a super duper i90 mega core whatever but very few people have an X5000. I can assure you if you have this box and ANYONE in the tech sector comes to your place and sees it they would be impressed.

When you say "An added bonus is the RAM restriction with BigRAM+ and ZorRAM is being lifted in the next release due any time. This will allow the BPPC and CSPPC versions to address more than just the RAM on the CPU cards. It will also do this for the WinUAE installs as a bonus."

Does that mean WinUae will allow more ram? where did you hear this? and when is this version that allows more ram meant to come out?

Thanks

[OlafS3]

For me the X5000 price is pretty good. You should see the machine in person its a really  nice system. Its the software that needs work and its happening. You will have a computer that will run Morphs , Os4 , and modern Linux kernels with high end hardware. Supporting things like USB3 and Bluetooth are almost impossible due to finance and size of development teams. USB2 support is fine for Amiga NG.

One thing I want to mention: Anyone can have a super duper i90 mega core whatever but very few people have an X5000. I can assure you if you have this box and ANYONE in the tech sector comes to your place and sees it they would be impressed.

Impressed? Why?

[Iggy]

Impressed? Why?

For me, its the persistence needed to see the project through with such a small market and limited resources.
Especially when faced with naysayers like yourself.

Then there's the fact that its actually powerful enough to run real software, while being based on an ISA that is no longer commonly seen in desktops.

Go ahead and crap on the idea if you want, but impressed is EXACTLY the word I'd use.

[magnetic]

Impressed? Why?

If industry professionals come to my house for parties and are impressed with my peg2 they will be really impressed with x5000 its EXOTIC COMPUTING

[ferrellsl]

If industry professionals come to my house for parties and are impressed with my peg2 they will be really impressed with x5000 its EXOTIC COMPUTING

I hope you're being sarcastic because no real industry professional is going to be impressed by the current state of Amiga computing unless they're named Rip Van Winkle and just awoke from a 15 year long nap.

Oops...my bad...you ARE being sarcastic!  LOL!

[Iggy]

I hope you're being sarcastic because no real industry professional is going to be impressed by the current state of Amiga computing unless they're named Rip Van Winkle and just awoke from a 15 year long nap.

Oops...my bad...you ARE being sarcastic!  LOL!

Well, some one is anyway.

But you're not very good at it.

Actually, I have a friend the I've known since the '80s that owns a firm that makes medical monitoring equipment (first place I saw wave soldering).
He'd be pretty impressed if I told him the low volume the hardware was being produced in, and showed him the overall quality of the work.
But then, he is a professional.

Ah heck, we've had this argument before, and your still a dork.

[ferrellsl]

Well, some one is anyway.

But you're not very good at it.

Actually, I have a friend the I've known since the '80s that owns a firm that makes medical monitoring equipment (first place I saw wave soldering).
He'd be pretty impressed if I told him the low volume the hardware was being produced in, and showed him the overall quality of the work.
But then, he is a professional.

Ah heck, we've had this argument before, and your still a dork.

Nice to see that you're still in such fine form and unable to engage in any real dialog.  It's sad that you aren't intelligent enough to engage in anything other than name calling and flaunting your connections to "professionals".  And even more pitiful that you and your "professional" friend are still living in the 80's and believing that anything Amiga related is something to be impressed about.  You also need to brush up on your grammar and spelling.  Have you not yet figured out that there's a huge difference between the words your and you're?  They invented spell-checkers and grammar checkers back in the 80's.  You should learn to use them.  You might even be impressed by them since they're so high-tech by your 1980's standards.  The days of being impressed by anything Amiga passed away back in the late 80's but you and your "professional" friend apparently didn't get the memo.  Oh, but that's right, email didn't come along until after the 80's so I can see why you didn't get the message.

I'm not impressed one bit by low-volume hardware projects.  They're nothing new and these days, with this new-fangled thing called the internet, I can upload my own multi-layer PCB designs and have them fabricated, produced, and shipped to me in a matter of days.  There are quite a few companies that do this routinely.

Here's one:  http://www.4pcb.com/

and another:  http://www.custompcb.com/

[SACC-guy]

Nice to see that you're still in such fine form and unable to engage in any real dialog.  It's sad that you aren't intelligent enough to engage in anything other than name calling.  And even more pitiful that you and your "professional" friends are still living in the 80's and believing that anything Amiga related is something to be impressed about.  You also need to brush up on your grammar and spelling.  Have you not yet figured out that there's a huge difference between "your" and "you're".  They invented spell-checkers back in the 80's.  You should learn to use one.  You might even be impressed by it since it's so high-tech by 1980's standards.

BTW, this thread is about the x5000!

FYI, I was at AmiWest in a room filled with people from Intel, Microsoft and other companies. SACC has several members from Intel. They were impressed with the x5000 for various reasons.

My reason is that for the first time in years, I have a brand new Amiga!

[ferrellsl]

But it's the same old song and dance.  I was told I'd be impressed by my PegII, then by the X1000 and now by the X5000.  Performance wise these systems were all years behind off-the-shelf solutions that were available at the time and cost 2 to 3 times more as well.

Yes, it IS nice to have more hardware but to call it impressive from a performance perspective is more than just a stretch.....the cost is impressive certainly though.

But I will say that I am impressed with Trevor's tenacity and hard work.  Now if he could just get Hyperion to fulfill all the things we've been promised over the years for OS4 like multi-core support, etc.....

[yssing]

But it's the same old song and dance.  I was told I'd be impressed by my PegII, then by the X1000 and now by the X5000.  Performance wise these systems were all years behind off-the-shelf solutions that were available at the time and cost 2 to 3 times more as well.

Do enlighten us, how is it years behind? Sure it does not have USB3, but not much hardware really use it.

One question, not only adressed at you, but all the naysayers, who constantly tells us how far behind amiga is and how ancient it is, why are you here?
A-EON wons this site and other amiga sites, A-EON is mainly NG hardware. I am just puzzled why some one would spend so much time being negative.

[ferrellsl]

Do enlighten us, how is it years behind? Sure it does not have USB3, but not much hardware really use it.

One question, not only adressed at you, but all the naysayers, who constantly tells us how far behind amiga is and how ancient it is, why are you here?
A-EON wons this site and other amiga sites, A-EON is mainly NG hardware. I am just puzzled why some one would spend so much time being negative.

Being a cheerleader for Hyperion isn't going to get you a better OS4.  How many years ago did they promise to deliver multi-processor support and stable USB?  I think I've been hearing that since 2004.  Hans has made great strides in the 3D graphics department but the Amiga is still years behind other operating systems in graphics and the areas I mentioned.  If you settle for mediocrity, then that's what you'll end up with.  What's wrong with demanding a better product and calling someone out for broken or unfulfilled promises?

[yssing]

Being a cheerleader for Hyperion isn't going to get you a better OS4.

Neither is the opposite

How many years ago did they promise to deliver multi-processor support and stable USB?  I think I've been hearing that since 2004.

Sure but it was not relevant before the X1000, besides the guys behind it are not counted by the hundred.

Hans has made great strides in the 3D graphics department but the Amiga is still years behind other operating systems in graphics and the areas I mentioned.

If you settle for mediocrity, then that's what you'll end up with.

Yes that is why you have windows and mac. If all you do is stick to mainstream, then what you end up with is nothing special.

What's wrong with demanding a better product and calling someone out for broken or unfulfilled promises?

Uhhmm they stop producing products.

But all of the above is software, what I was asking about, and what was written about, was the hardware.

And again I ask you, why are you even here? If all you want to do is complain, then take it some where else.

[ferrellsl]

Neither is the opposite

 
Sure but it was not relevant before the X1000, besides the guys behind it are not counted by the hundred.




Yes that is why you have windows and mac. If all you do is stick to mainstream, then what you end up with is nothing special.


Uhhmm they stop producing products.

But all of the above is software, what I was asking about, and what was written about, was the hardware.

And again I ask you, why are you even here? If all you want to do is complain, then take it some where else.

You're living on another planet if you think NG Amiga's can hold a candle to off-the-shelf systems available today in either hardware performance or software.   The only thing keeping NG Amiga production alive today is a small core of die-hard users who are willing to pay the high prices for the next PPC motherboard that gets whipped up, not because there's a commercial demand of any significance.  The NG Amigas and classic Amigas will remain a high-priced hobby and a curiosity to most people and that isn't about to change.  If either of these systems could compete in the market place, they would be doing so right now.  I complain because I'm tired of cheerleaders like you who want me to believe that NG Amiga's are such a fantastic piece of high tech.  They are not.  They are an over-priced hobby project, which is just fine as far a hobbies go and if that's how you want to spend your money.  But to suggest that NG Amigas are technologically superior to what I can buy right now at a Best-Buy or other outlet is ludicrous.

Keep being the cheerleader and I will check back in another 12 years and see if that promise of multi-processor support was fulfilled.  I doubt it.  You're happy with mediocrity and you're willing to pay a premium for it and that's fine, but it isn't for everyone.

I won't be going away any time soon though.  I know that disappoints you, but telling me to "take it somewhere else" just makes you look childish.  You don't have to read what I write or even agree with it.  I know that might seem strange to you but that's how adults handle such things.  There's also an option in your account settings to just ignore anything that I post.....makes it easy for you.

[yssing]

You're living on another planet if you think NG Amiga's can hold a candle to off-the-shelf systems available today in either hardware performance or software.

But what is missing? you still havent answered.

 If either of these systems could compete in the market place, they would be doing so right now.  I complain because I'm tired of cheerleaders like you who want me to believe that NG Amiga's are such a fantastic piece of high tech.  They are not.

But then again, if you are tired of amiga NG talks on an amiga site, then why are you here?

Keep being the cheerleader and I will check back in another 12 years and see if that promise of multi-processor support was fulfilled.

I will hold you to that promis, but does that mean, we wont see you before those 12 years?

[A500]

This will allow the BPPC and CSPPC versions to address more than just the RAM on the CPU cards.
It will also do this for the WinUAE installs as a bonus.

Do you have a source for this information?
While I would appreciate the lifting of the memory limit within WinUAE, I can't believe it is true. In the past Hyperion always was against it. And A-EON could fear it was bad for their business.

[Iggy]

But what is missing? you still havent answered.


But then again, if you are tired of amiga NG talks on an amiga site, then why are you here?


I will hold you to that promis, but does that mean, we wont see you before those 12 years?

+3! :hammer:

Like hard work to create the limited runs of this stuff should be discounted because it can't compete with mass marketed commodity crap.

Honestly, I wish this guy would go back to using his Windows box, leave us alone, and STFU.

"I can upload my own multi-layer PCB designs and have them fabricated,  produced, and shipped to me in a matter of days.  There are quite a few  companies that do this routinely."

Gee Mr. Wizard, I've been doing that since the days when it was actually difficult to source a board manufacturer.
Glad to see you think its a accomplishment these days.

Now try to design a multi-layer board that has components that operate at high speed and have it function correctly when built.
Your dismissive attitude show you don't know the challenges involved there.

And as far as my intellect goes, at this point, with over 200 college credits and multiple degrees, I don't really care what YOUR judgement is, because you're a dork.
We don't need sophisticated verbiage for that assessment.
Your going to be negative without addressing the holes in your argument so...

... that is why you have windows and mac. If all you do is stick to mainstream, then what you end up with is nothing special.

And again I ask you, why are you even here? If all you want to do is complain, then take it some where else.

Good summary of this part of the discussion.