X5000 systems

[zylesea]

Software under single user OS' just is not threaded well enough.
 

What has a "single user OS" to do with threading Programs? It's up to the programmer to enable multithreading of an application. For example on Windows I used
HANDLE WINAPI CreateThread( lpThreadAttributes, dwStackSize, lpStartAddress, lpParameter, dwCreationFlags, lpThreadId)
more than a decade ago already. And windows balances the threads quite well.
If the developers don't slice their apps into threads, the OS cannot do much about that.

[Iggy]

What has a "single user OS" to do with threading Programs? It's up to the programmer to enable multithreading of an application. For example on Windows I used
HANDLE WINAPI CreateThread( lpThreadAttributes, dwStackSize, lpStartAddress, lpParameter, dwCreationFlags, lpThreadId)
more than a decade ago already. And windows balances the threads quite well.
If the developers don't slice their apps into threads, the OS cannot do much about that.

Actually, Window doesn't do that great when it comes to distributing loads, although you are right about programmers not creating code with enough modularity.
Back when I was still developing code, systems had far less resources, and I started on 8 bit systems, so I've always had a tendency to try to break down things to small modules that could be loaded and unloaded.
The availability of increased resources has made programmers somewhat lazy.
 
 Edit - btw "...more than a decade ago" ahem...kind of my point.
 Oh, and threading? Its was always necessary for multi-user systems to have good support for this. Windows and MacOS users have been conditioned to accept little animated icons that indicate they need to sit there twiddling their thumbs.

[AmigaOldskooler]

Hi Kirk,

I'm a potential AmigaOne X5000 customer. I can use this computer for work, as it not only has support for AmigaOS 4, but also Linux. If a task should appear that is not possible in OS 4, I can switch to Linux.

Why would I want to use an X5000 for work?

Because I love using Amiga systems and it is a BIG bonus to be able to combine this passion with work!

Many people feel more creative in an Amiga computer environment, one gets the urge to make something. That is the case for me at least.

[nicholas]

If the developers don't slice their apps into threads, the OS cannot do much about that.

https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/

[goldfish]

Computing has become boring in the PC world. yes we have usb3 and fast processors but nothing really exciting is happening. This is why I keep an eye on Amiga as it always felt fun using Amiga and Amigaos. Windows just gets on my tits with it constant updates and spyware and adaware. Cant wait for Tabor A1222 so I can get back to using a person computer again not a computer that is restricting its user by the OS and aynoying BIOS security.

[Iggy]

Computing has become boring in the PC world. yes we have usb3 and fast processors but nothing really exciting is happening. This is why I keep an eye on Amiga as it always felt fun using Amiga and Amigaos. Windows just gets on my tits with it constant updates and spyware and adaware. Cant wait for Tabor A1222 so I can get back to using a person computer again not a computer that is restricting its user by the OS and aynoying BIOS security.

Thanks, that why I always had a problem with MacOS, I got tired of being stuffed into a box and forced to do things exactly the same way as everyone else.
It will be fun to have these new machines.
Personally I can't decide whether to wait for a four core X5000, or just purchase the model that was made available on Sunday.

I'm particularly glad to see someone else here use the term 'boring', because I get that.
That is what mainstream computing has become, boring.
Anymore I'm having trouble telling what I'm on, because all OS' tend to operate via the same conventions.

[Rob]

I am sure to get flamed on this but, I'll say it anyway.  I just checked out the US vendor's site that was posted earlier today.  Is it just me, or, is anyone else just not overly impressed with the specs for the machine?  USB 2.0?  The whole thing seems to be a decade or more behind PC and Mac hardware specs and it costs twice as much.  What would anyone buying one of these actually use it for other than just a hobby perspective?  Pleas enlighten me, because I can't really see the point.

USB 2  is built into the P5020 and there doesn't appear to be any USB3 Amiga OS4 driver despite being announced years ago.

http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=5637&order=

[Iggy]

USB 2 is built into the P5020 and there doesn't appear to be any USB3 Amiga OS4 driver despite being announced years ago.

http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=5637&order=

 Currently, even USB 2.0 support under OS4 and MorphOS is far from perfect.
 USB3.0 support would require a dedicated developer and I don't see anyone stepping up to address this.
 
 But then, USB3 support isn't that important to me.
 I have it on one PC I have at home, and I don't use it.

[Acill]

I've got to play with the X5000 quite a bit and its a nice machine. I would recommend you get a copy of 4.1 for classic and use it on a PC under WinUAE for a bit and see how you like it. If you do it runs much better on the real thing, but it will give you a base to decide. For me I prefer MorphOS and Linux on my G5 machine and 3.9/4.1 on my 4000T.

An added bonus is the RAM restriction with BigRAM+ and ZorRAM is being lifted in the next release due any time. This will allow the BPPC and CSPPC versions to address more than just the RAM on the CPU cards. It will also do this for the WinUAE installs as a bonus.

[magnetic]

For me the X5000 price is pretty good. You should see the machine in person its a really  nice system. Its the software that needs work and its happening. You will have a computer that will run Morphs , Os4 , and modern Linux kernels with high end hardware. Supporting things like USB3 and Bluetooth are almost impossible due to finance and size of development teams. USB2 support is fine for Amiga NG.

One thing I want to mention: Anyone can have a super duper i90 mega core whatever but very few people have an X5000. I can assure you if you have this box and ANYONE in the tech sector comes to your place and sees it they would be impressed.

[Arnuph1s]

I also checked out the X5000 at Amiwest and it's a pretty decent system. Still priced a little too rich for my tastes based on it's specs but I take my hat off to A-EON for getting these machines produced and long may that continue.

I agree that it is the software that needs work and glad to hear that is underway. Will make it feel less like a hobby machine and more like a viable everyday solution (to me at least).  Once the OS catches up a bit I will consider it a viable purchase.

 I may get flamed for this but I would love to see either AmigaOS or MorphOS make it onto an ARM platform. With the millions of Raspberry Pi users, that kind of exposure would bring more attention to the Amiga scene. I mean even RiscOS is making a comeback thanks to the Pi. That could only be a good thing, right?

[Iggy]

I also checked out the X5000 at Amiwest and it's a pretty decent system. Still priced a little too rich for my tastes based on it's specs but I take my hat off to A-EON for getting these machines produced and long may that continue.

I agree that it is the software that needs work and glad to hear that is underway. Will make it feel less like a hobby machine and more like a viable everyday solution (to me at least). Once the OS catches up a bit I will consider it a viable purchase.

I may get flamed for this but I would love to see either AmigaOS or MorphOS make it onto an ARM platform. With the millions of Raspberry Pi users, that kind of exposure would bring more attention to the Amiga scene. I mean even RiscOS is making a comeback thanks to the Pi. That could only be a good thing, right?

 No reason for you to be flamed for that, before the move to X64 was announced for MorphOS I frequently stated my preference for ARM.
 I just like the idea of a more open processor.
 Now that Power8 has been opened up to licensees, I'm all for sticking with Power platforms.
 
 But...when an X64 port is complete, I'll be there too.
 
 Although I am tired of Intel.
 AND, I don't think people realize that X64 cannot be covered in totality, so only selected targets will be supported.

[kirk_m]

Thanks for all the replies.  I agree, computing is boring to me now.  I got my first machine in 1982, a C64.  Then an Amiga 500, then a PC when Commodore went into its death spiral. I always bought AMD over Intel.  Finally, I wound up with my first Mac 8 years ago, and this was the first intel based system I owned.  I stopped playing games on the PC 16 years ago.  Just not my thing any more, and I can't even force myself to play console systems with my kids.  The MacOS was the closest thing (besides Linux, which I always chose over Windows when I could) to my time spent on the Amiga.  I'm in a much different place nowadays, and, priorities have changed with regards to computing (everything to me is strictly utilitarian, versus all fun and games during the 64/Amiga/Early PC era), so, I can see the attraction to this new machine for one who is strictly utilitarian.  I might try one out eventually, but, I can't see how doing the same exact utilitarian tasks on this new system as what I do on my other systems could possibly re-invigorate the kind of interest I had in computers 30+ years ago.

[gertsy]

Thanks for all the replies.  I agree, computing is boring to me now.  I got my first machine in 1982, a C64.  Then an Amiga 500, then a PC when Commodore went into its death spiral. I always bought AMD over Intel.  Finally, I wound up with my first Mac 8 years ago, and this was the first intel based system I owned.  I stopped playing games on the PC 16 years ago.  Just not my thing any more, and I can't even force myself to play console systems with my kids.  The MacOS was the closest thing (besides Linux, which I always chose over Windows when I could) to my time spent on the Amiga.  I'm in a much different place nowadays, and, priorities have changed with regards to computing (everything to me is strictly utilitarian, versus all fun and games during the 64/Amiga/Early PC era), so, I can see the attraction to this new machine for one who is strictly utilitarian.  I might try one out eventually, but, I can't see how doing the same exact utilitarian tasks on this new system as what I do on my other systems could possibly re-invigorate the kind of interest I had in computers 30+ years ago.

Agree 100%, and there's no going back. Computing for computing's sake is a hobby.  Doing that on PC or Mac has little appeal. Productivity(as it was called back when) and utility is a good word for it, is what these platforms provide at performance and production levels an Amiga from the past or even now could never achieve.  Elegance was at play back then not raw power and throughput. I'd love to have an x1000/5000, I just can't think what I'd use it for.

[toRus]

That's true. That's why I have paid thousands accumulating hardware such as 8core i7s, multicore Xeons, etc; you name it I got it. It's my money after all. And that's why I am ditching it all, because I never really enjoyed it. Maybe just keep a single x86 MacBook, then move/stay with ARM for media consumption, PowerPC for development and number crunching, and classic Amigas for gaming. And I know this time I am gonna be satisfied; it's not like I am doing something "stupid", like collecting vinyl records and old turntables or old cars (less stupid though than collecting hardware you don't really like or use, anyway).

[duffsta]

For me the X5000 price is pretty good. You should see the machine in person its a really  nice system. Its the software that needs work and its happening. You will have a computer that will run Morphs , Os4 , and modern Linux kernels with high end hardware. Supporting things like USB3 and Bluetooth are almost impossible due to finance and size of development teams. USB2 support is fine for Amiga NG.

One thing I want to mention: Anyone can have a super duper i90 mega core whatever but very few people have an X5000. I can assure you if you have this box and ANYONE in the tech sector comes to your place and sees it they would be impressed.

When you say "An added bonus is the RAM restriction with BigRAM+ and ZorRAM is being lifted in the next release due any time. This will allow the BPPC and CSPPC versions to address more than just the RAM on the CPU cards. It will also do this for the WinUAE installs as a bonus."

Does that mean WinUae will allow more ram? where did you hear this? and when is this version that allows more ram meant to come out?

Thanks