Masjsta's A500 Vampire

[psxphill]

Yes, but you don't have a right to go around spreading false info and bullying people who disagree with you.

I never implied that I was your boss and I doubt you've ever held a job let alone had a boss based on your childish behavior here.

You're judgemental and insulting & you're trying to bully me for not sharing your opinion. Mobbing and then blaming the victim, all non-childish behaviour. If you're allowed to disagree with me and it's ok, but I'm not allowed to disagree with you and it's not then you have serious issues.

I am not spreading false info, I may be saying things that are out of date & I've tried to put everything I've said in that context. However if the out of date info was widely spread and the new info is not, then it is not my fault.

It certainly isn't something that should make you angry, rather than just pointing me to accurate information.

You do not solely define "good product". All Vampire owners I have ever read of are very happy with it and recommend it to others. You can say you would use it for this or that and because of that you need a certain missing feature but that does not make it bad. You are not master of universe I assume

No of course I am not the master of the universe, but I appear to be in the minority who are not be blinkered to the problems it will cause further down the line. Which is why I am trying to make sure that people are aware before getting suckered into recommending it to everyone so that it closes the market. If they then decide to do that it is up to them. The same for people who voted for brexit in the UK and people who voted for Donald Trump in the US. It's often that the majority will screw things over for the minority, when actually the cost to the majority either way is quite small.

I actually find your attitude quite childish as it only considers your own view point and you appear insulted that I have an opposing view point.

[OlafS3]

@psxphill

You cannot define for everyone if a product is good or not for everyone else. You can define if it is suitable for your personal needs and if price is ok to you but that also is not valid for everyone else.

[wawrzon]

I am not spreading false info, I may be saying things that are out of date & I've tried to put everything I've said in that context. However if the out of date info was widely spread and the new info is not, then it is not my fault.

ignorance may not always be taken as excuse;). especially given your insistence on the issue. i have an impression that you are expecting the "unfriendly overlord" to immediately inform you personally about all his doings and intentions. but there are ways to keep in touch (you have been pointed to, even if you missed on them) and i dont see anything around the project being kept secret on a purpose.

i can only ensure, your doubts are taken seriously ; )

[Pgovotsos]

Could you please move this childish squabble to its own thread someplace else? The thread is supposed to be about majsta's hardware. The bickering is over the Apollo team's software. They may work together, but aren't the same thing. Majsta isn't responsible for Apollo's choices and actions so a "discussion" on Apollo doesn't belong here.

[kirk_m]

Could you please move this childish squabble to its own thread someplace else? The thread is supposed to be about majsta's hardware. The bickering is over the Apollo team's software. They may work together, but aren't the same thing. Majsta isn't responsible for Apollo's choices and actions so a "discussion" on Apollo doesn't belong here.

[Arnuph1s]

Could you please move this childish squabble to its own thread someplace else? The thread is supposed to be about majsta's hardware. The bickering is over the Apollo team's software. They may work together, but aren't the same thing. Majsta isn't responsible for Apollo's choices and actions so a "discussion" on Apollo doesn't belong here.

+1

This is one of the reasons that I float on the periphery of the community. Of all the retro machines, the Amiga seems to be the one that attracts the most vitriol. I have no explanation why.

Personally, I find the Vampire project very exciting indeed and look forward to them becoming more widely available so I can get one .

[Crom00]

There is an old saying "you can't please everyone"

In the Amiga scene you can deliver an AI with a Quantum CPU, and holographic display the size of a shoebox for $150 and folks would still complain about it..

The Vampire isn't such a device but it's as good as we got right now.

[ToddH]

There is an old saying "you can't please everyone"

In the Amiga scene you can deliver an AI with a Quantum CPU, and holographic display the size of a shoebox for $150 and folks would still complain about it..

The Vampire isn't such a device but it's as good as we got right now.

And it's bringing a lot of folks back into the community. I have an Amiga 600 sitting on my desk now because of the Vampire 2. Last Amiga hardware I owned was back in the 90s. As soon as I saw the Vampire 2 in action I knew I had to pick up a 600.

[psxphill]

i have an impression that you are expecting the "unfriendly overlord" to immediately inform you personally about all his doings and intentions.

I don't expect that, but after saying he wasn't going to do a compatible fpu and mmu so publicly nobody can expect everyone to know if he's changed his mind unless he publicises it so much.

The bickering is over the Apollo team's software. They may work together, but aren't the same thing.

I apologise if I missed the announcement that you could buy one without the other, which would be the only explanation for your comment.

[Pgovotsos]

I apologise if I missed the announcement that you could buy one without the other, which would be the only explanation for your comment.

Try applying reading comprehension to the part of my post you conveniently forgot to quote. Repeating below in smaller words in case it was missed the first time.

Majsta makes hardware that happens to use the Apollo core. It didn't always. Majsta has no control over what the Apollo team does. Complaining about the work of someone else in a thread about majsta's hardware isn't fair. It certainly doesn't belong in the marketplace.

[Niding]

As a Vampire 2 owner, I have to say its the best hardware addition Ive purchased in the Amiga realm. Im sure people like Mech will say "hah, a pimped up A4000 will still blow the V600/500 out of the water!", and thats fine.

My last Amiga expirience was A1200 with 030 accelerator and 2+16 megs of ram.
It was a decent enough machine, but the V600 is a whole different ballgame
The userexpirience is amazing, and I cant praise the Apollo Team enough.

Yes, I would love to be able to avoid having to use a Scart cable to view non-RTG screens, and some programs require FPU, but we all know its a work in progress project.

I think Skipp604 said it best;

If you are ACTUALLY curious about the FACTS, join IRC. You spend so much time here arguing "truths", instead of going directly to the source. Its almost like you dont WANT to know the truth.
Apollo Team is very approachable when they are active on IRC, and it seems like they are around more or less every day.

[kolla]

The bickering is over the Apollo team's software.

It's not software! :laughing:

[kolla]

If you are ACTUALLY curious about the FACTS, join IRC. You spend so much time here arguing "truths", instead of going directly to the source. Its almost like you dont WANT to know the truth.
Apollo Team is very approachable when they are active on IRC, and it seems like they are around more or less every day.

I did this, and got a little wiser. It started out with everyone joking about me not understanding "the obvious", then turned around to nobody except Gunnar understanding "the obvious", which suddenly wasn't so "obvious" for the rest after all, which prompted Gunnar to go into eye-rolling tea-spoon mode and actually provide answers that "normal people" can grasp. During this, I endured being called an idiot and various other less flattering things, something I long ago learned to take as signs of being on the right course in this crazy community. :lol:


I wanted to know about the 080 FPU and how users are supposed to relate to it. Given the choice of a piece of software coming in 020+882, 040 or 060 variants, which is more ideal for AC-68080? Answer: 040 or 060 - it doesn't matter much which. Given a piece of software does not support FPU or comes in 020+881/882, your mileage may vary, there will be "software that takes care of it", and how well that works depends on the functions at hand. "The software" will apparently be in ROM, though it is unclear for me what that means - I think not in kickstart, but rather something "closer" to the FPGA. (At this point we also learned that the 68882 is not really an FPU, but rather just a chip that runs a whole lot of microcode - software in ROM, providing an FPU interface, what we know as 68882, but whatever). Then there was a "but" and a small rant about awesomeness of the new stuff that will be in the FPU, but as someone who is more concerned with how well ancient utility software will work rather than playing media files (I have more than half a dozen devices that will do that so vastly much better than any Amiga will ever do anyways) I just zoned out. Oh, and the "regular" 68040.library will be redundant.

Next for me would be to ask about MMU, as new fast m68k hardware for Linux and BSD is very much sought after, believe it or not. People may think sticking with AmigaOS on m68k is crazy, but how about those of us who stick with m68k for Linux and BSD, despite all the other hardware we can run that on? We are f*ckin lunatics in comparison. Right? :laughing:

[guest11527]

IAt this point we also learned that the 68882 is not really an FPU, but rather just a chip that runs a whole lot of microcode - software in ROM, providing an FPU interface, what we know as 68882, but whatever.

Funny. So the 68K is not a real CPU, but rather a chip that provides a CPU interface and runs all of its functions on microcode from an internal ROM, emulating a CPU?

Actually, that's pretty much what it really does, yes, but it still makes a good CPU. Many contemporary CPUs of its time actually worked this way, including the Z80 for example.

[psxphill]

It's not software! :laughing:

It is software, by every definition. It's not a sequentially executed language like you feed CPU's & DSP's.

Apollo is software and more importantly it's an emulator, it happens to be a not very accurate one but that is by design.

your mileage may vary, there will be "software that takes care of it",

That is the standard line, it Apollo can't run exec.library then someone can just patch it or write a new one.

[majsta]

What is exec.library? Where is that and for what purpose is used?