Phase 5 Digital Products comeback?

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

And why bother when I can buy a Vampire for a reasonable price that will run circles around any stock 680x0 CPU and compete quite nicely with some PPC CPUs?

As has already been mentioned 9837593475 times, there's no Vampire accelerators available for A1200's or A4000's, which is the target market for these new cards (plus the 2060's, which would be welcome considering how many A2000's still show up on ebay).

[wawrzon]

there's no Vampire accelerators available for A1200's or A4000's

then try to be just, because neither are the cards here in question here avaliable as of today. they are announced, thats all, same as vampire for a1200 for now. however in the contrary to vampire, where we are confronted with the honest communication as they progress, and where is a dependable track of record of actual delivery, all ive seen from this project are some animations and cardboard boxes along with some old accellerator boards cards in front of them.

[Iggy]

As has already been mentioned 9837593475 times, there's no Vampire accelerators available for A1200's or A4000's, which is the target market for these new cards (plus the 2060's, which would be welcome considering how many A2000's still show up on ebay).

I wouldn't mind a 2060.
And I'm not convinced that the Vampire2 for the A2000 would be that much faster.

[ferrellsl]

I'm not assuming they have any 680x0 or ppc cpu's, they may be selling bare boards for all I know.

Or the videos of the component placement could be a smokescreen and they have an fpga/arm/atom board on the way.

That's an even worse scenario.  If Phase 5 is releasing bare boards as a product, how many Amiga users actually have the skills and equipment needed to finish their boards let alone have the components and CPUs to get them running?

[ferrellsl]

As has already been mentioned 9837593475 times, there's no Vampire accelerators available for A1200's or A4000's, which is the target market for these new cards (plus the 2060's, which would be welcome considering how many A2000's still show up on ebay).

I never mentioned the A1200 or A4000, you did.  I'm waiting for the standalone Vampire anyway.  It will run rings around any Phase 5 product, real or imagined.

Go ahead a drool over a shady Facebook page filled with images from 1991.  This bad joke will end just as the one created by ACK Controls in 2007 did.

[wawrzon]

This bad joke will end just as the one created by ACK Controls in 2007 did.

funny enough, who knows, maybe this ack thing has been for real, at least at the drawing board;)..

[ferrellsl]

The images aren't darkened on Facebook.

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Only on Amiga.org do people cream their pants over pics of cardboard boxes with 25 year old accelerators parked in front of them....

OK, so the pics are lighter on Facebook.  They still have the text blocked out and could have been pulled from any dust bin or dumpster.  And if this new Phase 5 was legit, then why not actually have a real web site with pricing and other relevant info instead of just a dead-end homepage with a logo and an address?  Why all the secrecy?

I've seen more than my fair share of scams, failed projects, and twisted jokes on this site to know another one when I see it....ACK Controls, ARIX, etc.....now this "new" Phase 5.

I hope I'm wrong but the past makes me very cynical.

[Heiroglyph]

That's an even worse scenario.  If Phase 5 is releasing bare boards as a product, how many Amiga users actually have the skills and equipment needed to finish their boards let alone have the components and CPUs to get them running?

I'm 99% sure he meant boards without the CPU plugged in, not a PCB with no components.

[psxphill]

I'm 99% sure he meant boards without the CPU plugged in, not a PCB with no components.

Er yeah, sorry I thought that was kinda obvious. But predicting what the announcement will be is pointless.

Then you can decide whether its something you want or not. If it's a run of 030 boards then I won't be buying one, but I'm not going to criticise them for it.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

And if this new Phase 5 was legit, then why not actually have a real web site with pricing and other relevant info instead of just a dead-end homepage with a logo and an address?  Why all the secrecy?

If you want to see their web site done sooner, why not volunteer your services to help create it?  :laughing:

[Heiroglyph]

Until they have something to sell, who really cares?

If I was making an Amiga product, I would keep it secret until it was physically shipped to resellers or I was ready to ship to end users at that very moment.

The only thing you get for pre-announcements in this community is sh!t on.

Why they opened their mouth is a mystery to me, it leads to nothing but angry forum threads.

[zipper]

That was the way Prometheus PCI card was marketed
 and I ordered it at once.

[ferrellsl]

If you want to see their web site done sooner, why not volunteer your services to help create it?  :laughing:

I have my own legitimate web site with real and available products to maintain at  http://lidarwidgets.com

And the new Phase 5 says they've been in business since April of this year but can't get past a dead-end homepage?  If that's the best they can do in 7 months, then they need more help than I can give them anyway.

[Heiroglyph]

I'd rather they worked on the product myself.

We have to face it, we don't have business people running these companies anymore. They will make PR blunders and bad decisions like these.

He was probably just a guy like one of us, excited to tell the community what he's working on, but not that good at running the marketing side of a business.

Most people with business sense know not to be in this market at all.

[wawrzon]

keeping secret isnt necessary. honest communication will be enough, even some exaggeration will go through. it has been proven lately. but publicity stunts will make people rather cautious. except for die hard cheerlanders, of course.

[Heiroglyph]

keeping secret isnt necessary. honest communication will be enough, even some exaggeration will go through. it has been proven lately. but publicity stunts will make people rather cautious. except for die hard cheerlanders, of course.

I disagree. You could have the most perfect widget in the world and some of this community would scream and yell about how horrible it is and compare the creator to Hitler.

You pretty much have to come out complete with hardware and software to back it up to avoid as much speculation as possible.