Phase 5 Digital Products comeback?

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Where on earth will they source 060 chips from?

China?

:laughing:

[wawrzon]

But A-eon appears to be trying to remedy things.

yes. i think it alas boils down to exactly and only this. it looks very much like defensive tactics trying to stuff one hole and even before its done move to another one while water is flooding the ship through hundred others. in addition to this, they are not even an experienced shipmate but a prosperous and romantically motivated passenger trying to save the vessel, while the captain and at least most part of the crew either escaped or lay drunk in the cabins, after they locked everybody else away from the machine room.

in comparison auch an energetic straightforward approach like the onne being displayed by apollo/vampire team appears, no matter all the mistakes underway, to be a future proof and compentent wholesale strategy..

You know, instead of a new A1200 from Jens, I'd rather have a PCIe X1 plug in Amiga card for the AmigaOne or G5 PCIe Mac. Then we could really incorporate legacy software into the NG base.

might be of interest for some, but since it doesnt offer much beyond uae, even for underpowerden ppc hardware, no doubt it would be another failure investment rejected by majority. amiga scene needs a common ground, a common denominator, and this has been proven by popularity of certain projects, especially lately.

[Heiroglyph]

Where on earth will they source 060 chips from?

As I said before, it doesn't really matter from a business perspective.

If they can get 060's all the better, but there's also market for better 040 boards and those cards are jumperable for either CPU so they have options.

They could still sell a lot of CPU-less boards and leave that up to the user. Either dig up a used 060 or 040 somewhere or move it from their older CPU card if they have one.

A Cyberstorm PPC for example would be a great upgrade over even a Cyberstorm Mk2 060 with the SCSI module, not to mention the benefits of moving your 040 from an A3640 to it.

We haven't even mentioned the A2000 boards, but that would be a very worthwhile upgrade for most A2000 owners even if they had to source a CPU.

[Iggy]

As I said before, it doesn't really matter from a business perspective.

If they can get 060's all the better, but there's also market for better 040 boards and those cards are jumperable for either CPU so they have options.

They could still sell a lot of CPU-less boards and leave that up to the user. Either dig up a used 060 or 040 somewhere or move it from their older CPU card if they have one.

A Cyberstorm PPC for example would be a great upgrade over even a Cyberstorm Mk2 060 with the SCSI module, not to mention the benefits of moving your 040 from an A3640 to it.

We haven't even mentioned the A2000 boards, but that would be a very worthwhile upgrade for most A2000 owners even if they had to source a CPU.

I have an A2000 here, so I'm with you on that.

@warzon

 

amiga scene needs a common ground, a common denominator, and this has  been proven by popularity of certain projects, especially lately.

Not if it means focusing solely on legacy hardware. The limitations of the Amiga chipset can't be overcome without redesign, and no one if trying that yet.

You focus on what you want, I'm supporting multiple alternatives.

[yssing]

You misunderstood. My comment was in reply to "What do you think A-Eon and Hyperion is doing?". Those companies aren't doing anything I'm interested in.

I really respect that position. Personally I am more interested in AOS4.x and its hardware. However if the new Phase5 could make a new batch of PPCcards for the classic I would be very interested.

[Heiroglyph]

I really respect that position. Personally I am more interested in AOS4.x and its hardware. However if the new Phase5 could make a new batch of PPCcards for the classic I would be very interested.

Agreed. I can respect your interest without sharing it as well.

We should just be glad there is a potential overlap so that some advances can help us both.

[eliyahu]

Agreed. I can respect your interest without sharing it as well.

We should just be glad there is a potential overlap so that some advances can help us both.

that's exactly the sort of sentiment that, if it catches on, will make the online amiga community a much more enjoyable place in which to participate.

-- eliyahu

[Heiroglyph]

that's exactly the sort of sentiment that, if it catches on, will make the online amiga community a much more enjoyable place in which to participate.

-- eliyahu

Now lets all hold hands and sing Kumbaya... :angel:

We would all get a lot more done if we would just focus on sharing advances rather than acting like one "camp" somehow hurts the other.

[wawrzon]

I have an A2000 here, so I'm with you on that.

@warzon

 

Not if it means focusing solely on legacy hardware. The limitations of the Amiga chipset can't be overcome without redesign, and no one if trying that yet.

You focus on what you want, I'm supporting multiple alternatives.

As you may observe exactly that is happening. The so called legacy amiga hardware becomes redesigned removing its limitations. And there are multiple emerging options. As for alternatives i support them too in form of aros. Im rather indifferent to morphos, since i have never used it and im critical towards os4 since i have used it. I dont think we have a duty to support everything thrown at us unregarded the actual preferences.

[Iggy]

As you may observe exactly that is happening. The so called legacy amiga hardware becomes redesigned removing its limitations. And there are multiple emerging options. As for alternatives i support them too in form of aros. Im rather indifferent to morphos, since i have never used it and im critical towards os4 since i have used it. I dont think we have a duty to support everything thrown at us unregarded the actual preferences.

Of course not, I haven't used Os4, but may get some exposure to it by buying an X5000.
Although I still doubt that will sway me much.

[wawrzon]

Of course not, I haven't used Os4, but may get some exposure to it by buying an X5000.
Although i still doubt that will sway me much.

Perhaps you should though first give it a try under emulation. Especially that you tend to emotionality. Simply to avoid what happened to vox.

[Iggy]

Perhaps you should though first give it a try under emulation. Especially that you tend to emotionality. Simply to avoid what happened to vox.

WTF DO YOU MEAN BY THAT!:angry:

Just kidding.:hammer:

No, I don't see the point in emulating an Amiga equipped with a PPC card.

And I'm buying the X5000 to run MorphOS, so I'll have a copy of OS4 on hand anyway.

Might as well use it in the best environment I can.

[wawrzon]

WTF DO YOU MEAN BY THAT!:angry:

Just kidding.:hammer:

No, I don't see the point in emulating an Amiga equipped with a PPC card.

And I'm buying the X5000 to run MorphOS, so I'll have a copy of OS4 on hand anyway.

Might as well use it in the best environment I can.

okay.

[Jose]

To me the interest would be having Classic and NG in one machine but if they're gonna use only old processors in old design I don't think it's worth it. They should update the boards with faster processors, i.e. remember the Cyberstorm PPC G4's that were going to be produced and where some of us got burned with ? A dual G4 at 1.7Ghz with an Apollo core for the A4000, with 4GB ram. NOw that would be cool. Otheriwse you might as well get one of the NG systems and keep using your Classic for some games and apps.
Just my half cent ....

[slaapliedje]

I think this is great, I always wanted a PPC in my Amiga, and I already have a copy of OS4 sitting around.  It certainly feels nice to have a system where you just install it and it's very nice and a bit more modern feeling than dealing with OS3.9, BB1-4, then the plethora of other third party utilities you have to slap onto it to make it.. oddly more like OS4 is.

But (of course there is a but) at the same time tweaking the OS to our hearts content is part of the Amiga charm, so why would we want a shiny out of the box experience?  I figure if I got a PPC, I'd still get a dual set up, OS4 / OS3.9 + Amikit for Real.

[yssing]

Agreed. I can respect your interest without sharing it as well.

We should just be glad there is a potential overlap so that some advances can help us both.

That is absolutely true.