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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #59 from previous page: January 20, 2016, 03:22:28 PM »
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As a side note, no, you cannot built a graphics card driver from the UAE C component. That doesn't depend on the SDK. It only depends on the 68K interface part that, more or less, just traps into UAE.


It would be easy to make the traps not go into UAE but whereever you like. You could patch LoadSeg("uaegfx.card") to replace the 0xF0FF60 jumps. So you probably could write a gfx card driver without needing to know ".card" internals, but only things from UAE.
 

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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2016, 10:27:14 PM »
So if i can make a p96 driver without the sdk, i am doing something illegal ?
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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2016, 11:05:40 PM »
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So if i can make a p96 driver without the sdk, i am doing something illegal ?


AFAIK possibly in the EU, but not in the US.
 

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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2016, 12:23:52 PM »
@kolla and Thomas

The whole payment for software discussion seems a bit malplaced. Its easy to say we could/should develop for free when you live in a country like Norway, where the social security is so strong. Even if you loose your job, the state takes care of you. And loosing a job has been "hard" until the oil price crash. And the pay has generally been quite high versus large parts of Europa. I lived/worked a couple of years in USA (California). One day one of my collegues got called into our boss's office. Got fired on the spot for a minor issue. This could never have happened in Norway.
For the record; I live in Norway.

Take Toni in his "OS4 compatible UAE expansion development status" thread. He repeatedly encourage people to donate to motivate him to continue the development.

Ofcourse I appriciate people that release free and/or opensource software. Likewise I appriciate it when people want a dime back for their efforts.

Sorry for the offtopic, but the whole "Im entitled to a free lunch" attitude rubs me the wrong way.
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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2016, 12:54:22 PM »
Im not sure i wholly understand what you are saying here , or at least we have two definitions of "Free".

For me , "Free Software" is not about price, its about liberty.

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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2016, 01:03:29 PM »
I really don't understand why so much hassles, If you want to use P96 then pay for it, it is not going to be an expensive purchase. The authors deserve payment for something that you want the benefits from.

as an afterthought, if the P96 can be licensed then maybe the cost should be included in the Vampire board cost to make sure the authors do get something.
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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2016, 02:24:11 PM »
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I really don't understand why so much hassles, If you want to use P96 then pay for it, it is not going to be an expensive purchase. The authors deserve payment for something that you want the benefits from.

Thanks for that - I agree. There will probably be some small add-on on the sales price (if that fits your goals), and everyone will benefit from that.
 

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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #66 on: January 21, 2016, 02:37:11 PM »
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I really don't understand why so much hassles, If you want to use P96 then pay for it, it is not going to be an expensive purchase. The authors deserve payment for something that you want the benefits from.

as an afterthought, if the P96 can be licensed then maybe the cost should be included in the Vampire board cost to make sure the authors do get something.

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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2016, 03:07:04 PM »
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Thanks for that - I agree. There will probably be some small add-on on the sales price (if that fits your goals), and everyone will benefit from that.


Is there a roadmap for the continued development of P96 ?
If so , what is planned for the future?

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« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2016, 04:01:53 PM »
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Is there a roadmap for the continued development of P96 ?
If so , what is planned for the future?

Believe me, I'm interested in this as well. Working on it - we'll see what comes out of this.
 

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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2016, 01:19:29 AM »
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It is a rather convenient position to have the taxpayer keeping care of your bill, but not everyone is in this pleasant position. Norway has enough oil (yet) to fund you at this time, but you should try - at least for a while - to work in the industry, just a bit, to see the other side of the medal.

I have worked in projects with commercial companies, it also part of the job when developing standards and reference implementations. Luckily, today, most relevant companies base their activities on open sources technologies, and many companies have it as policy to participate in developing open standards and use open source. Closed source of course exists, but as building block for making solid products and platforms, it is dwindling, and dwindling faster every year. Open source conferences are growing larger and larger every year, and these days almost every major industry player participate, to show off their open source products and look for customers, cooperations and potential new hires. Also in non-open source conferences (for example SNIA events), open source solutions are becoming more and more the norm. It doesn't matter what you think or say, the trends are clear, the industry is moving, albeit slowly at times.

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I've done both, actually. Currently, I'm pretty much in the same position as you right now (so I'm happy), but I'm not as arrogant as you to state that closed source development has to be damned.

I am not saying it has to be damned, I am saying it _will_ be damned, and there is nothing you can do about it. To pretend this is not the case is rather ignorant.

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I believe a good software engineer should be able to make a living (which you cannot, in Amiga land, let's face it, even less with users like you), and not a living from the taxpayer but from his customers.

If you want to survive as a good software engineer these days, you make sure that your creations are open source so that your customers - both those who paid, and those who just picked it up - can participate and improve the product, or you can pretty much wave your chances bye-bye. Your customers will more and more pick other options. I know, because I am a customer.

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Both development models have their drawbacks and merrits. Pick the one that suits your case best. As far as public positions are concerned, we're here clearly stating that the tax payer paid for it, so should have access to it. That's fair, too.

It is really more a matter of economy than it is about development models - working with closed source within a company and working with open source with a community is not _that_ different as far as development models are concerned.

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But that does not mean that I ignore the need for people to create closed source software; its development is often quicker and driven by the market, not by some abstract funding goals you'll get from the latest university project.

Your views on how things work around here are a bit skewed, but then again, I never met anyone happily working for DFN :laughing:

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It's a much harder life in private industry, and I would wish you could appreciate that at some point when you grow older and wiser. You should have done that to appreciate how hard work has to go into products compared to the cozy job you have.

I appreciate hard work when I see it. I appreciate hood products when I use them. So far though, "the industry" you speak of is way too busy creating crapware with tons of insane limitations, lacking interoperability, crazy licensing schemes etc. There is really very little to appreciate.

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This being said, I'm really set up by how arrogantly you deny the choices of the original authors. *This* makes me mad. Not the usual sales talk on Open Source - that's just a choice of your business model and I'm fine with whatever fits your needs. There are markets where open source works, and others where it does not.

I do not deny anyone to make dumbass choices, but I am to old to just let such nonsense pass as "the right thing to do".

And please - name one market where open source does not work.
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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2016, 01:29:58 AM »
Maybe there will be a Vampire for the A500?  :-)
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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2016, 01:40:36 AM »
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@kolla and Thomas

The whole payment for software discussion seems a bit malplaced. Its easy to say we could/should develop for free when you live in a country like Norway, where the social security is so strong. Even if you loose your job, the state takes care of you. And loosing a job has been "hard" until the oil price crash. And the pay has generally been quite high versus large parts of Europa. I lived/worked a couple of years in USA (California). One day one of my collegues got called into our boss's office. Got fired on the spot for a minor issue. This could never have happened in Norway.
For the record; I live in Norway.

Take Toni in his "OS4 compatible UAE expansion development status" thread. He repeatedly encourage people to donate to motivate him to continue the development.

Ofcourse I appriciate people that release free and/or opensource software. Likewise I appriciate it when people want a dime back for their efforts.

Sorry for the offtopic, but the whole "Im entitled to a free lunch" attitude rubs me the wrong way.

Another one who totally miss the point - closed source software in time becomes _irrelevant_ - it _dies_. Open source at least stands a chance. All these repeating threads about P96 shows exactly that, and every effin time Thomas has to jump in with his repeated ranting about how closed source is just fine, and that we must respect the authors etc - well, the P96 situation shows exactly how it is _not_ fine. And like always it was not users who did anything wrong, but other participants in the "industry". Still, he insists that P96 is the way to go, somehow, because maybe he can get a much reluctant deal, to develop a driver, something many have tried before without much luck. As a user, all this nonsense is just frustrating. I am saying that I am willing to pay with my "communist money" to have sources of P96 liberated. I have contributed thousands of euros in open source projects up through the years, this would be no different. Yet over and over Thomas tells me I just want "free beer", which is not at all true - I want stuff that works and is future proof (read open source), and I am willing to pay for it.

As for jobs - make sure you have multiple skills, do not put all your eggs into one basket, and don't be afraid to change trade.
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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2016, 07:20:09 AM »
Instead of creating a software solution, create a compatible hardware solution with one of the P96 drivers.
As far as I remember, this was done for the Amiga 500.
End of the discussion.
 

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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2016, 07:20:22 AM »
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And please - name one market where open source does not work.

Classical desktops, obviously, with all the applications behind it. Games, Office...  It is dominated by closed source, name it - windows.

People care about working applications that solve their day problems, not about the latest open source discussion.  

No, I personally do not use windows, but I can certainly note its market dominance.
 

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Re: Video of Vampire board
« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2016, 07:23:04 AM »
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Instead of creating a software solution, create a hardware solution compatible with one of the P96 drivers.
As far as I remember, this was done for the Amiga 500.
End of the discussion.

Not really. The video chips of the day that P96 supports "out of the box" are - from today's perspective - severely limited in bandwidth. Thus, I doubt that any of them would be able to support full HD in truecolor. Besides, it also requires you to emulate all the VGA legacy from the PC (which is, basically, where these chips came from). That's quite some overhead, and I understand that this should better be avoided.