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Amos or Blitz
« on: December 22, 2015, 01:40:56 PM »
Hi,

So I fancy doing a bit of old school basic programming on the miggy.  I used blitz a bit in the past and on the PC and always thought it was pretty powerful.  
Is blitz the best one to go with?  I want to use aga features if at all possible , do both have extra libs for AGA ?

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Re: Amos or Blitz
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2015, 02:15:48 PM »
I've been using amos for many years, and I am very happy with it.
Is very easy to use and can make outstanding amiga games.
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Re: Amos or Blitz
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2015, 03:16:46 PM »
Amiblitz 3 is good and still maintained.  http://www.amiblitz.de/  There also the excellent PureBasic 4.0 but it's no longer maintained.  http://www.purebasic.com/index.php
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Re: Amos or Blitz
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2015, 03:25:13 PM »
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Hi,

So I fancy doing a bit of old school basic programming on the miggy.  I used blitz a bit in the past and on the PC and always thought it was pretty powerful.  
Is blitz the best one to go with?  I want to use aga features if at all possible , do both have extra libs for AGA ?

Thanks


Use Blitz, it's faster, has proper data structures, a real debugger, works properly with the operating system and doesn't need any extra libs to work with AGA.

The inline assembler is also a god send if you want to optimise an inner loop.

Also it gives full access to the interrupts, the most useful is the VBL interrupt... Which Amos "sort of" works with when you use the limited version (synchro on) of AMAL... But that is a bit of a pain to do anything serious with.

I could go on... Simply put Blitz is the more modern of the two.
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Re: Amos or Blitz
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2015, 03:36:13 PM »
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Use Blitz, it's faster, has proper data structures, a real debugger, works properly with the operating system and doesn't need any extra libs to work with AGA.

The inline assembler is also a god send if you want to optimise an inner loop.

Also it gives full access to the interrupts, the most useful is the VBL interrupt... Which Amos "sort of" works with when you use the limited version (synchro on) of AMAL... But that is a bit of a pain to do anything serious with.

I could go on... Simply put Blitz is the more modern of the two.


Thanks.  You had me at proper data structures :)   was it blitz i remember having the type command ?

Anyway where to get blitz, manual etc legally  ? back2roots ?
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Re: Amos or Blitz
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2015, 03:37:42 PM »
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Amiblitz 3 is good and still maintained.  http://www.amiblitz.de/  There also the excellent PureBasic 4.0 but it's no longer maintained.  http://www.purebasic.com/index.php


Is there an english version of  that site ?
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Re: Amos or Blitz
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2015, 03:40:14 PM »
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Re: Amos or Blitz
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2015, 03:42:03 PM »
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Is there an english version of  that site ?

 http://amiblitz.de/community/
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Re: Amos or Blitz
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2015, 03:48:11 PM »
will check out purebasic as well as this seems to be the sequel to blitz
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Re: Amos or Blitz
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2015, 04:08:16 PM »
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will check out purebasic as well as this seems to be the sequel to blitz

 IIRC PureBasic was written by demoscene coders which would explain why it's really fast and optimized.
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Re: Amos or Blitz
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2015, 09:25:44 PM »
Blitz no doubt about it.
There is also plenty of docs in the blitz archive.
What those guys have done with blitz is amazing!
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Re: Amos or Blitz
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2015, 10:59:20 AM »
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Thanks.  You had me at proper data structures :)


In Amos, you ended up having lots and lots of arrays... And a mess of variables.

To make a large game in Amos you had little choice but to use the software version of Amal (synchro off), just to stop the code becoming a mess.
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Re: Amos or Blitz
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2015, 01:00:48 PM »
That made no scence Amal was just to allow beingers to Animate stuff who couldnt write there own routine.


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In Amos, you ended up having lots and lots of arrays... And a mess of variables.

To make a large game in Amos you had little choice but to use the software version of Amal (synchro off), just to stop the code becoming a mess.
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Re: Amos or Blitz
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2015, 01:47:34 PM »
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That made no scence Amal was just to allow beingers to Animate stuff who couldnt write there own routine.
No, Amal was to allow asynchronous operation. Essentially multithreading.

The hardware variant used the vertical blanking interrupt, the software version ran the threads with a timer.

But since each Amal program was self contained, it allowed you to encapsulate your onscreen objects and was the nearest you could get to a structured design in Amos.

Amal was not for beginners, it was tricky to use and was excluded from "Easy Amos", the beginner's variant of Amos.
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Re: Amos or Blitz
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2015, 01:57:58 PM »
Sorry I dont see what this has to do with the size of the code? If you write a good routine it probably quite poratable between all basics and other languages and Amos wouldnt take any more lines of code than any other basic. Eazy Amos left out other things that would have made life easier.

I just thought it a bit misleading thats all.

Most Amos books etc describes Amal as an easy way to dispaly Animation and I agree.
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