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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2004, 11:48:35 AM »
"You and I both know that's not what cecilia meant, it's the fact that this person actually goes ahead and pays for the parking space that makes them stupid."

Why?

What if you owned it? Would it be stupid for you to sell it?
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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2004, 12:01:01 PM »
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"You and I both know that's not what cecilia meant, it's the fact that this person actually goes ahead and pays for the parking space that makes them stupid."

Why?

What if you owned it? Would it be stupid for you to sell it?


To buy it is stupid, to sell it is exploitative and wrong.

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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2004, 12:03:08 PM »
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That cottage is certainly a "reasonable" thing for this man to have


Is it?
 

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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2004, 12:28:11 PM »
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That cottage is certainly a "reasonable" thing for this man to have


Is it?


It holds up to your acid test, it can be afforded on minimum wage.
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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2004, 12:30:17 PM »
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T_Bone wrote:
"You and I both know that's not what cecilia meant, it's the fact that this person actually goes ahead and pays for the parking space that makes them stupid."

Why?

What if you owned it? Would it be stupid for you to sell it?


To buy it is stupid, to sell it is exploitative and wrong.

IMO.


How is buying it stupid?

And if you owned it, why would it be wrong to sell it?

And if buying it is stupid, and selling it is wrong, what do you do with it if you own it?
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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2004, 12:32:34 PM »
Well, I don't care if they want to sell it for this much. But I think the one who buys it should really REALLY have a good thought about what he/she is doing. I mean, money=power=responsibility.


And maybe the tax man can ask what's the fuss all about, with 'too high' taxes.
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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2004, 12:46:01 PM »
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T_Bone wrote:
"You and I both know that's not what cecilia meant, it's the fact that this person actually goes ahead and pays for the parking space that makes them stupid."

Why?

What if you owned it? Would it be stupid for you to sell it?


To buy it is stupid, to sell it is exploitative and wrong.

IMO.


To buy it is stupid?
Do you mean that someone would be stupid buying it because they're paying over the odds? Otherwise why is it stupid?

To sell it is exploitative? Well, I suppose it depends on your politics, but selling something and getting the going rate for it isn't exploiting anyone, is it? The person buying isn't being exploited unless they HAVE to buy (a life saving vaccine for example).
If I sell something on ebay, and someone bids more than it costs new, I fail to see how I'm exploiting them. It was their choice to buy it, regardless of how silly it might seem to you.


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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2004, 01:17:07 PM »
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That cottage is certainly a "reasonable" thing for this man to have


Is it?


It holds up to your acid test, it can be afforded on minimum wage.


I suppose I'll have to take your word on that. I can't imagine I'd have been able to afford a remotely desirable cottage as well as my house while at McDonalds.
 

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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2004, 01:24:43 PM »
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To buy it is stupid, to sell it is exploitative and wrong.

IMO.


To buy it is stupid?
Do you mean that someone would be stupid buying it because they're paying over the odds? Otherwise why is it stupid?


Yeah, I think anyone who pays that much for a parking space when they could do so much real good for the world with that money needs their brain checking.

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To sell it is exploitative? Well, I suppose it depends on your politics, but selling something and getting the going rate for it isn't exploiting anyone, is it? The person buying isn't being exploited unless they HAVE to buy (a life saving vaccine for example).

If I sell something on ebay, and someone bids more than it costs new, I fail to see how I'm exploiting them. It was their choice to buy it, regardless of how silly it might seem to you.


Well, I suppose that depends on anyone's personal interpretation of what the word "exploitation" means. Maybe I have a wide definition of it. You can exploit teenage workers, expolit security bugs in Windows, exploit elderly pensioners...

The eBay thing isn't so bad, in that you're not setting the price. If someone bid ridiculously over-the-odds, I'd cancel the bid. Just my personal feelings coming into play, but I just wouldn't be able to sleep at night. But the way I see it, Harrods are taking money from people who really should know better, but apparently don't. They're "exploiting" their weaknesses.

 

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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2004, 01:35:19 PM »
Wage bands in the UK:

< £10,000/y: on the breadline. People here are are usually unemployed, immigrants, the disabled, struggling single mothers, etc. Called the lower classes by conservatives. Actually its very difficult to be really poor with our strong welfare state and minimum wage levels (yay).

£10,000-20,000: Average workers, about 90% of the population. These people work hard and are taxed hard, and actually generate most of the wealth and most of the taxes the country has. Usually called the working class.

£20,000-40,000: "Professional" workers. Skilled craftsmen, managers, doctors, etc. Whatever skills, experience or knowledge they have is enough to get them high wages. Upper-working class. Work hard but are taxed like crazy and always were, especially on retirement.

£40-000-80,000: Here's where it gets kinda strange. People up here can sometimes have legitimate reasons for such high incomes: stressed executives, high-profile lawyers, MPs, scientists. But most don't. You will find most of the people in this band living comfortably, with a villa in Spain and a yacht, working smaller shifts than the "lower classes". This is the middle class, and upper-middle class, Thatcher's darlings. The higher up here you go, the more your family and connections mean more than your skills. Strangely, these people don't really suffer much of a tax burden.

£80,000+: Well, there isn't much work you can do to earn you this kind of money. People who get this much are usually people who get to dictate their own wages: chief executive fatcats who lower their workers wages but give themselves massive pay rises and absolutely huge pensions, landowners, etc. I wish it was a socialist delusion but its not. These people are often the direct descendents of the landowners William the Conquerer put here when he stole the land from the Saxons. They don't do much work, often have most of their savings in a tax-free haven, and don't contribute much to society. They are the upper-classes, and the people who would pay £10,000 for a parking space at Harrods.
 

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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2004, 02:20:22 PM »
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£80,000+: Well, there isn't much work you can do to earn you this kind of money. People who get this much are usually people who get to dictate their own wages: chief executive fatcats who lower their workers wages but give themselves massive pay rises and absolutely huge pensions, landowners, etc. I wish it was a socialist delusion but its not. These people are often the direct descendents of the landowners William the Conquerer put here when he stole the land from the Saxons. They don't do much work, often have most of their savings in a tax-free haven, and don't contribute much to society. They are the upper-classes, and the people who would pay £10,000 for a parking space at Harrods.


People who fall into this category are TV Presenters, Actors and other famous people. :-) Explains an awful lot, doesn't it?
 

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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2004, 02:24:48 PM »
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People who fall into this category are TV Presenters, Actors and other famous people. :-) Explains an awful lot, doesn't it?
It doesn't
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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2004, 02:26:49 PM »
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People who fall into this category are TV Presenters, Actors and other famous people. :-) Explains an awful lot, doesn't it?
It doesn't


It does
 

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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2004, 02:29:59 PM »
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Yeah, I think anyone who pays that much for a parking space when they could do so much real good for the world with that money needs their brain checking.


You're not under the impression that the money dissapears when the lot is purchased are you? Who's to say the man selling the lot, isn't selling it so he can do good with the money he gets from the sale? The money hasn't dissapeared, it's just changed hands. There is no "loss" of any "chance to do good." It's a zero sum transaction. Before the sale, humanity owned $100K and a parking space, after the transaction, humanity still owns $100k and a parking space. The opportunity to do good with that money is there both before and after the transaction, making the transaction itself, irrelevant to doing good.

Money can neither be created nor destroyed, it just changes form. it's the.. erm law of Ecodynamics or something. :-)

[edit- Econodynamics?]
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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2004, 02:33:43 PM »
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No it doesn't. These people are not productive in any way. They do not add anything to our civilization yet they push their asses in the front of all attention. They are bloodsucking parasites.
It's like a septic tank, the biggest muck floats in the upper regions.
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Re: Harrods Parking space for Sale
« Reply #44 from previous page: February 25, 2004, 02:35:39 PM »
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Money can neither be created nor destroyed, it just changes form. it's the.. erm law of Ecodynamics or something. :-)
But it can get stuck somewhere, like thrombosis.
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